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    When you purchase a Walther P99 A/S full-size or compact model in 9mm, you IQ goes up 20 points, and legions of Germans cheer your name as you walk down the street.

    How would ya know unless you spit German?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shipwreck View Post
    When you purchase a Walther P99 A/S full-size or compact model in 9mm, you IQ goes up 20 points, and legions of Germans cheer your name as you walk down the street.
    You also get free entry into Oktoberfest, and if you can't make it, they'll just ship you the beer. Just make sure you send in your warranty card...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shipwreck View Post
    When you purchase a Walther P99 A/S full-size or compact model in 9mm, you IQ goes up 20 points, and legions of Germans cheer your name as you walk down the street.

    I have a full size P99 .40cal in QPQ finish and I love the gun, I think I even talked with you about a mark on the finish and you helped me with that. I was thinking about the PPS, the main idea of the next one i buy is size for carry, and I have the full size P2000 and the P99 but want smaller. What do you think about the PPS Ship???

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    Quote Originally Posted by JeffWard View Post
    They are simply awesome, except for that annoying 1/1,000,000th of an inch higher bore axis problem Mike hates... But then, I think the recoil spring configuration is superior to the Glock...
    Heh, I think the bore axis is more like 1/4" higher, which is quite a bit, at least in my hands. But my other, bigger issue with the XD is the much longer and mushier trigger reset versus the Glock.

    I think Mike and I should go head-to-head... Glock vs XD when he gets home. Then after the smokeless smoke clears, we'll argue over a few ice cold beers, and still resolve nothing.
    No offense, but I saw your 1.5-1.7 second time for pairs from the ready in the other thread, so you'd better practice up in the next four months! Though, hmmm, I will be rather rusty when I return from Afghanistan. Not much pistol shooting here.

    But seriously, if I shot the XD better and faster than the Glock, I would give serious thought to clearing out the Glocks and buying XDs. I have no ego invested in the Glock, and I am not ashamed to ditch one gun for another. Hell, I ditched the 1911 after a 20-year love affair.

    It actually does sound like a good idea. With over 4000 members now, maybe it is time to start considering/planning an "HGF Nation" meet. What say you guys and gals?
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    Quote Originally Posted by paine View Post
    I have a full size P99 .40cal in QPQ finish and I love the gun, I think I even talked with you about a mark on the finish and you helped me with that. I was thinking about the PPS, the main idea of the next one i buy is size for carry, and I have the full size P2000 and the P99 but want smaller. What do you think about the PPS Ship???

    Well, the PPS is so new - there has been no set track record yet. I think it is a good gun, though (it is a Walther). However, when compared side by side with the P99c - it IS the same size, except for thickness. And for me, that tiny bit of thickness ain't worth another $600. I also find the grip a bit TOO thin - as far as comfort is concerned. And, the trigger has the QA trigger, instead of the A/S that is found on the P99.

    I'd love to try one, and maybe I'd buy one if I liked it. But, as an owner of a P99c - I can't justify it myself.

    Now, if I WAS looking for a gun that size and didn't own anything like it - I probably would narrow it down to the P99c, the PPS and the HK P2000 SK.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhilR. View Post
    You also get free entry into Oktoberfest, and if you can't make it, they'll just ship you the beer. Just make sure you send in your warranty card...

    PhilR.
    That's right. The offer for the "Legions of Germans screaming your name" was a mail in rebate deal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shipwreck View Post
    That's right. The offer for the "Legions of Germans screaming your name" was a mail in rebate deal.
    yeah, I'm still all over the place, I dont know what to get. Now I'm looking into the M&P9c

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    Quote Originally Posted by paine View Post
    yeah, I'm still all over the place, I dont know what to get. Now I'm looking into the M&P9c
    I've heard that they are great pistols, and there's a rebate + extra mags promotion going on right now.

    Try to hold one if you can. From various posts on other forums, it seems that some people's grip puts a finger over the mag release button, and they accidentally drop the mag while firing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhilR. View Post
    I've heard that they are great pistols, and there's a rebate + extra mags promotion going on right now.

    Try to hold one if you can. From various posts on other forums, it seems that some people's grip puts a finger over the mag release button, and they accidentally drop the mag while firing.

    PhilR.


    cool I didint know that, I'll keep that in mind!! they seem like great guns and I hear good things about them. TOO Many Choices, and alot of great guns.

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    Quote Originally Posted by paine View Post
    .... "A wannabe Glock."

    That was my first thought after laying eyes on Springfield Armory's XD9 pistol. Closer inspection of the slide revealed the words "Made in Croatia." Those are words that, when stamped on the slide of a handgun, aren't known to inspire the consumer's confidence.

    --- They say USA all over them, thats a big trun away for me when a gun says Springfield armory USA but are made else where. They only guns I own that are not made in US are the german guns my Walther and HK, and well my Browning but I know the place of origin is not a problem with some but its still a trun of to me to see USA all over a gun and then hear they are made over seas. thanks.
    Glocks aren't made in the US either...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spartan View Post
    Glocks aren't made in the US either...
    Yup I know that, but they also don't say 'USA' all over then, I mean I know it says where its made and also says 'Springfield armory USA' and where its made but still.

    It still looks like it would be a great carry gun, and I'm still thinking about it. thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by tnoisaw View Post
    When you purchase a Walther P99 A/S full-size or compact model in 9mm, you IQ goes up 20 points, and legions of Germans cheer your name as you walk down the street.

    How would ya know unless you spit German?
    I'm assuming U meant "speak"?

    Well, they send you a pocket translator with the "legion of germans"

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    If you're on a budget (like me) look at the Kel-Tec's. Either the P-11 or the PF-9. Both are 9mm and basically the same gun except the P-11 is double stack 10 rds and the PF-9 is single stack 7 rd. Both are reliable and accurate and the only bad thing I can say about them is that the trigger pull is rather heavy, although kits are available to lighten the pull. The P-11 was also available in .40 S&W and called the P-40. The Millineumn Pro series of Taurus pistols (available in .380, 9mm, .40, and .45) deserve mention too. I had a Mil-Pro PT140 .40 S&W and loved it, until I got stupid and sold it to buy a rifle. I know they're not Glock's, H-K's, Walther's, Khar's, or XD's, but money dosen't always talk the loudest. Just food for thought.

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    tough choices

    I'm a long standing Glock fan but recently made the mistake of shooting an XD 4" and G23 side by side at a local range that rents guns. The XD surprised me because I actually shot better with it than the Glock that I am acustomed to. Not exactly ready to part with my G19 in favor of an all XD line up but it sure gave me a new outlook on the XD along with a measure of respect. Regretably, I have not had the opportunity to try out the P99 or PX4 Storm that has also peaked my interest. Bottom line and as has already been mentioned try and rent and shoot as many offerings as you can find prior to purchase. Gun store fondling is a good start but nothing replaces actually putting rounds down range. Good luck to you as there are many fine offerings in the mid sized polymer class.

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    I think I am going to try to find a PPS, they are hard to come by right now, but I'll keep looking. Still very unsure, the glock26, XDsd9 are good guns for the money, and I like the grip safty on the XD. Oh well I guess I'll just have to keep looking and one day I'll figure it out. Thanks!

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