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Hey - no problem. That you didn't know doesn't bother me, but the fact that your instructor didn't know is a bit disconcerting.
Originally Posted by spacedoggy
Brings up a subject.. me being a total newb to handguns with intent for a CC license.. I gotta find out about handgun laws in NC, and laws pertaining to air-conditioning a perp that brings himself unlawfully into the home of my children while they sleep.. I've got googlin' to do on that for sure.
But I can imagine for a concealed carry gun.. for comfort, thin would definitely be in even for compromise of the quantity of rounds ..... Hence products like Walther's new PPS.
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Originally Posted by hideit
Thin never left.
Originally Posted by Lowdrift
I read somewhere that Walther came up with the PPS line for a secondary firearm and to compete with the pocket pistols and offer it in a 9mm. The only other company that I know of that has done this is kel-tec with it's P-9.
Originally Posted by babs
The reason Walther offers 3 levels of magazines is to allow you to make what level of consealment you might want. I have put one in my front pocket of my 5.11 pants that I wear 99% of the time with a 38 sp snub. It needs less room than my 38 put it did not have a mag in it at the time.
I agree with your statement and suggest to anyone who buys one to use it as a backup gun.
I'm a fan of the single stack for carry. I've also been contemplating shooting my Kimber on Tuesday USPSA league nights (I usually shoot a Para P-14 in limited). The new single stack rules for IPSC seem to confirm the single stack renaissance. Also I believe the Production and Single stack Divisions are geared toward competing with IDPA (sorta best of both worlds, IPSC game style rules, but without a ton of specialized gear).
One accessory I'd like to find for my single stack would be a pocket carry double mag pouch to fit the back pocket of my Levi's. Just something to keep the mags upright and pocket lint out.
Last edited by mvslay; 12-23-2007 at 09:55 AM.
I love my Glock, but, at 5'11", 186 lbs., it's difficult to conceal, especially now that I really like the Galco Concealable Belt Holster. At 4 o'clock my 232 or 239 single stacks are virtually undetectable, even in a pair of shorts and a sleeveless jersey. I keep the Glock at home except during the winter.
Man's got to know his limitations.
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The advent of widespread concealed carry will reintroduce many weapons systems to single stack, more concealable magazines. We will learn, once more, that a massive pile of ammunition, though excellent for uniformed law enforcement personnel, is not at all necessary for am armed citizen carrying handguns covertly.
One should prepare for potential crises in a realistic manner. Having a handgun concealed, with enough rounds for self defense, a weapon that one can and will carry, is of considerably more import than having a high-capacity weapon that one left at home, or in the car.
I am in southern Arizona. The Border Patrol agents at our checkpoints are carrying four, high capacity magazines in addition to the one in their guns. I am carrying five in my Smith Airlite T. We both have what we need.
Single stacks were out?
What I think is really coming back is the J Frame.
I just got a new "slimline" pistol, the KelTec PF9. Short write up of my first impressions here, along with a few comparison pics with some other guns: New PF9 - initial impressions..
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The way our instructor explained it to us was this; if someone is in the actual act of breaking into your home, you can shoot. Once they have gained entry, you need to reassess the situation before you can shoot.
Originally Posted by babs
Can't wait to move back to FL where full blown castle doctrine is the way of the land.
Castle Doctrine in Texas
We've got The Castle Doctrine laws now in Texas. Love it! It would not be a good idea for a b. g. to come into my home uninvited!!
I have mixed feelings.
I would feel safer with a .40 or .45 over a 9mm for "subdueing my enemy", but a 9mm is better than being unarmed.
I would prefer a double-stack high-capacity weapon over a thin single-stack, but a single stack would be better than being unarmed.
Presenting your firearm in a "situation" usually resolves the "problems" 80% of the time without ever firing a single round. They see the weapon, say "oh sh*t", turn, and rethink their life.
So... if I owned a full sized 1911, and a subcompact 9mm, I would say the 1911 has a better chance of being more effective if you have to shoot it, but because of it's size and weight, you might choose to leave it at home pretty often (I know I would, and that one time you leave it at home is when you'll need it, we all know how life works lol).
So what am I saying? I'm saying that if you think the size and weight and concealability of your large capacity large caliber weapon will keep you from carrying it, get something you feel more comfortable concealing. The chance of you ever having to "present" your weapon is very very low, and according to stats, only about 20% of the time will you ever have to fire it. That being said, a lighter more "practical" conceal carry weapon would be more effective than that giant deagle .50 you left at home because of its size and weight.
I goto the indoor range once or twice a week, and so I get alot of practice. I don't plan on ever having to fire more than one round. Having to empty even a small capacity magazine to resolve my "situation" sounds like I would be putting innocent people at risk. This is one of those arguments though that'll never have a right or wrong, my dad conceals his full sized springfield 1911, and that thing only leaves his presence when he goes to a no-carry zone.
I can't see any human being hanging around for more than 8 or 10 holes in him,or her. If someone pops even a .22 cal hole in me, I am likely going to stop doing whatever it was that prompted the other party to shoot me. In a defense situation, at distances of a few feet, I can't see needing 17 or more shots at my disposal. I suppose a gang related attack could yield multiple targets, but how many of them are really going to hang around to count shots when the red stuff starts leaking out of a couple of them? My favorite home defense weapon is an Ithaca 12ga and #4 buck. I have #4 buck on hand for coyote hunting, so the judicial system can't honestly use my ammo choice against me in court. For c.c., use what you can handle confidently, and try to avoid situations that put you at risk. "Packing" is never a replacement for common sense. I say if your favorite .45 compact holds 6 or 7 + 1, you are good to go.
Skyfire makes me think I kinda wish I had spend the dough for the 239 SAS instead of the 226 full-size Sig that's guarding the inside of it's safe (sadly). Especially after getting to check out a friends KelTec P3AT over the weekend.. Talk about a pocket-gun.. Wow.
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For shooting I prefer a double stack whatever due to the increased "girth".
My long fingers like to wrap up as much pistol grip as they can, but for carry I prefer a single stack, or most of the year a J frame .38 pocket carry due to the hot weather.
Last edited by Mike Barham; 06-17-2008 at 02:17 PM.
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+1 on the good idea....
Originally Posted by TxPhantom
High Capacity, spare mags, and preparedness. . .
While I have a CCW and am a reserve deputy (Certified as former Officer) I think the choice of personal defense weapon is up to the individual and how they carry. Some folks just don't have the frame to carry a Beretta 96concealed with 2 spare mags, some, like me do at 6'2" & 253#. Shot placement is the most important thing and under stress, it suffers, I have seen it more than I'd like to. We have the pot fields, grow houses, and random street trash pushing rock everywhere. I have carried a .45ACP in the past and am comfortable with it, I carry a .40 S&W now and am very comfortable with it. If I carried a .25ACP, I'd get darned comfortable with it as well. As I frequent inner city Atlanta from 6AM to 9PM on business regularly, I carry the Beretta 96. The gangs here run in packs and that is mostly what I see cruising around. The rural "county" I live in north of Atlanta has a very high population of Hispanic gangs. Going back to the Moro's there is proof that the .45 ACP works better than the .38 spl. but this is not a dissertation on caliber or a hijack from capacity. I use the hi capacity as I am pretty sure if there is ever a confrontation, it will be with one of these groups, not an individual given my size and awareness. I am prepared for the worst and always hope and pray for the best and train, train,train.
Check six and twelve, Scratch
I'm sitting in church with a concealed weapon. Do I really want others to know I have a weapon....not. God only knows that I only carry my weapon 24/7 because I plan for the worse and hope for the best.
I'm sitting in a college class room envirorment. Do I really want others to know I'm caring a concealed weapon....not. God only knows that I carry my weapon 24/7 because I plan for the worse and hope for the best.
The list goes on. We all prey that we will never actually have to use our weapons, but if a situation arrises that warrants actions than let God be on my side to help protect the innocent.
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