Actually going to try and trade my Mil Pro PT140 for one.
I'm sorry to say, Taurus has been a bit iffy lately. I had a timing problem with mine, NIB. 7 to 10 week waiting period. The one gun shop I deal with stopped selling Taurus all together. He said it's a 50/50 chance if they work, and his customers got mad at him because of such a long wait. I had a Taurus five shot .45 LC that worked perfectly; there's my 50/50. From now on Smith or Ruger for me.
Actually going to try and trade my Mil Pro PT140 for one.
I'd buy a used smith and wesson over a new taurus anyday.Taurus is just
not my brand.Not to say they don't make good stuff,I am not going to spend my hard earned cash on their stuff because I like other brands better !
I don't own a revolver (yet) but I have fired a Taurus and S&W in .357 and noticed in that brief experience that the trigger pull in double action was smoother on the S&W. As far as reputation goes I would prefer the S&W but from a financial perspective I could live with a Taurus although I'll probably spend the extra cash and get a S&W.
I have SW M13-3" and M66-2 1/2" and a M651 Taurus. Had 3 Rugers. Only reason I have Taurus is it's an all steel "version" of my M38 Bodyguard & it was only $240 at the time. It's held up fine for several years but has mostly shot 38s and mid range 357s. Shoots Rem 158 LHP+p extremely accurate. Rather have SW but the Taurus has been ok.
Do yourself a favor.. Buy the S&W. If you have to save a bit more before you buy, consider that the price of getting the better weapon..
I'm NOT saying Taurus can't or doesn't make a good firearm, but if you care to Google Taurus Customer Service I think you will find many, many negative posts.. Taurus has a lifetime warranty, but apparently their customer service is crappy at best.
Smith & Wesson on the other hand has an excellent CS reputation. The S&W also will come with a Lifetime warranty, but one backed by a company with a good reputation.
I don't know what frame revolver you are considering, but in a snubby I have found in my experience (I bought a new S&W 640 years ago) that the 357mag. round in a small frame is simply too much drama and recoil.. With the new dedicated self defense rounds in 38 cal. you CAN get an excellent round, and I think most folks will find it easier to shoot accurately, and will still get the "job" done..
I love the 357mag. round, and in fact my wife prefers an old Ruger Security Six as her "nightstand" firearm.
Hey, Ruger makes good revolvers, and I'd buy one of those in a heartbeat over anything made by Tauri'...
But, opinions are like buttholes, we all have one, and this is just mine.
No offense to those with contrary opinions..
P.S. The "search" function, (especially on gun forums) can oftentimes be your best friend in a situation such as this...
i have owned several Taurus handguns. Love em! I currently have a PT100 and the old model 65. They are truly worth e3very penny you pay for them. Would chosse them over the Smith even if $$ was not an issue.
Hey, no arguments here.. That's the great thing about opinions/choices.. We all have one, or more, and based on individual experience what is best for me might not be best for you..
Recently a friend of mine, who is now in a nursing home, gave me his two firearms to "keep" until he gets better.. (Not likely.)
One of the two was an old H&R topbreak 22cal. pistol he bought "used" in 1948.. The other, (his "carry" pistol), is a 25cal. FIE Titan (Miami mfg). I think the jury has long be in as to the quality of the FIE Titan as being a fine representative of what a "Saturday night Special" would be, but it' worked for my friend, for decades..
Nope he never fired it in anger (a lucky thing), but it gave him a feeling of security, and he carried it for decades thinking he was "well armed".. Turns out, for him, he was well armed.
Perhaps, (and probably) had he needed it in a crisis he might not have been so well armed?
Anyway, after I got the two old firearms, I cleaned them up and went out and shot them. The H&R is a neat old plinker, and in fact has adjustable front & rear sights.. Go figure?
The Titan it turns out has been 100% reliable (for the few rounds I've shot through it), and quite accurate. So, as far as the enemic 25cal. round is concerned, perhaps he was well armed.
All to say what is good for one is not necessarily good for another. My complaints with Taurus firearms is based on two personally owned pistols (PT92 & PT22). Both had problems, I sold them. Then I kept reading horror stories about the Customer Service/Warranty Repair division of Taurus, and I just decided I didn't need any more.
But, as with my friends Titan.. If you are happy with your Taurus firearms, that's all that matters.. To you..
No offense intended & Best Wishes,
Between those two choices- Smith, hands down.
Personally, I'd take either a used (pre-lock) Smith, or a new Ruger.
I have 3 S&W revolvers. I also have had a Taurus 9 mm for years - never gave me a problem. Based on the 9mm experience I bought a Taurus Model 94 - what a POC. Timing bad out of the box, extractor rides over the empties, cylinder wobbles and binds. I'll keep the 9mm and am sending the 94 back for warranty work. Frankly, I'll never buy another Taurus revolver nor likely Taurus anything else.
I chose Taurus. While their quality was questionable in the past, it has vastly improved and their guns are built on the designs of Colt, Ruger and Smith & Wesson. For the money, Taurus is the best buy, and is what I would buy, but there is no substitute for the original.
While Taurus does make a much better gun now Smith still has one of the best customer service dept you can ask for. Something's wrong? Send it to them and it will get fixed fast and they will do more than you ask. They will make sure the gun is perfect when it comes back. That alone tips the scale for me
they are both pretty reliable, the SW being a little better cosmetically.
cylinder yoke problem with my 686 after first use (3 days after purchase), had to repurchase a 2nd gun.
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S&W praise has been temporarily recanted due to problems with a 2nd purchased 686, firing pin bushing problem. See reply below.
I chose S&W because I have owned a few, and handled and fired several others. They are consistently good guns - accurate, reliable, durable, and often with very nice triggers. The people I know personally who own them, usually keep them. Also, they have maintained a good reputation for over a hundred years, with very few bad revolvers, during that time.
On the other hand, the Taurus guns that I have handled are good sometimes, and not so good at other times. I have seen more than one with rough machine work and misaligned parts in important places. I have heard about an equal number of good and bad reports from people who have owned them, and noticed that a lot of the folks who really brag on them don't really shoot them very often. Most of the firsthand bad reports I have heard have come from people who have put a lot rounds through them.
Granted that this is anecdotal information, and others may have entirely different experiences. But I will not buy a Taurus to see for myself, unless it is just too good of a deal to pass up, and then I will 'wring it out hard' to see if it is dependable.
If it has to be between these 2, it's a no brainer to go with S&W. From what I have read, you don't want to ever have to mess with Taurus CS.
Well, this is my experience so far. I purchased a s/w 686 6"-6 shot on a wed. I shot 45 rds thru it and the cylinder yoke had a problem, along with the screw/spring holding it in place. There was damage to both. I took it back to Bass Pro Shop and they bought it back from me in order to sell me another. (that's just the way the paper work has to be done). This was 3 days after I bought the gun. I bought the 2nd gun, same model as the first, and realized after 100 rds of flawless shooting, the "firing pin bushing" was partially misdrilled, see: http://smith-wessonforum.com/eve/for...243#7181053243
I had this gun 3 days as well. Maybe it's luck of the draw, so to speak, but you'll have a hard time right now convincing me that the Smith is as great as you think it is, and as great as I thought it was. Two new guns in about 1 week had problems? I'll believe it when I see it, as far as their quality. Right now, as I type this reply, 3 weeks have gone by, $670 has been spent, and I still don't have a gun to show for it. This is not a sigh of quality to me . How would you feel???
Well Revolvers aren't going to give u many problems either way!!! Simple mechanics that rarely fail. But in my opinion I'd Still choose the S&W!!! I have a .357 Highway patrolmen, my father gave to me and its survived Decades with NOT ONE problem at all!!! I just bought a Taurus "Judge" and i do like it, but when you talk about Taurus people give you 50/50 reviews S&W is a gun a lot of people normally talk very highly about!!! My money is on S&W!!!
Vague question (understatement).
Have you held any of each make?
Shook hands with a S/W 686 once, worst grip ever for me. It was awful. Gave it back and didn't shoot it. Didn't even feel like a Smith to me.
SP's and GP's are like slippers. Same with Taurus.
So- while remaining as vague as the question and sticking to the two Brands mentioned, IMHO-
S&W's are the prettyest, but, not the strongest by a large margin. And most expensive (read WAY overpriced, but, I guess someone has to pay for all the recond's and CR). Good CR and skilled laborers. Smith's are eye candy to me. Worth the investment so long as they can afford to stay in business.
Taurus is the least expensive (cheap, unskilled labor from God knows where) with the most features. Made in Brazil. YMMV. Never called or dealt with thier CR. They make some way bitchen wheel guns. They hold and shoot great. Depends on who puts it together though. Getta good one and enjoy the savings and shoot the beans outta it. If it flubs send it to a local smith, screw sending it back to Brazil or wherever.
I just called s/w and my 686 will be back from warranty work tomorrow(fri). I guess Bass Pro Shop (BPS) was able to put a rush on it due to new gun problems. It was only gone 1.5 weeks. Crossing my fingers and hoping something else isn't ^&*&*ed up. I will say the 100 rounds thru the gun before it was sent back would be catagorized as "very satisfactoy shooting". I hope it continues. I will see tomorrow.
Almost every revolver will shoot loose after "x" number of full-house rounds. Smith's, as expensive as they are, are not immune to this by a long shot. Neither is Taurus.
And- I'm willing to bet a box of ammo there's way more safe-queen Smith's than Taurus's.
I'd go Smith or Ruger. I know guys love their Tauri just fine, but I think they are hit and miss, and I do trade guns... I think the Smith or Ruger would holf better value. The used Smith revolvers are darned near full retail...
Just bought my first revolver yesterday..A S&W Model 686-1 blue with a 6 in barrel and a wooden grip (square bottom)..I love this gun.