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    C&R License

    I just requested the paperwork to apply for my C&R License. Does anyone have one? How hard is it to get approved? Pros and cons of having one?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SuckLead View Post
    I just requested the paperwork to apply for my C&R License. Does anyone have one? How hard is it to get approved? Pros and cons of having one?
    Well it is just what it stands for...curios (collectibles) and relics, so unless youve got a LOT of money to buy antique firearms or older military relics it isnt worth having (for me anyway). almost all new or reproductions wont qualify for a C&R license anyway.

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    I'm hoping to have the cash for it some day. LOL! My only rifle is just short of making their list and I'm not sure why it doesn't qualify. But one day I'll have it covered! LOL!

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    How hard is it to get approved?
    If you can pass a background check you will get it. Only took 15 days for me to get mine (thats counting the day I mailed the app., and the day I received it in my mailbox).

    Pros and cons of having one?
    pro: C&R firearms shipped straight to your home. No NICS check/01 FFL transfer on purchases made with the license. Dealer discounts from places like Midway USA, Brownells, Grafs (http://thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=206780) http://www.surplusrifleforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=5607. I've saved more than the cost of the license several times over by not paying transfer fees and getting discounts on stuff I was going to buy from Midway anyway.

    cons: some people don't like the higher profile you have by having the license (I think they have their tinfoil hats on too tight). Have to keep a bound book record of C&R firearms bought/sold, the ATF can make an appointment to come check your bound book, or have you bring it to the field office (rarely happens). Have to send a copy of the application to your local Chief LEO (not asking for their approval, just informing them you are submiting the application with ATF)
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    Quote Originally Posted by SuckLead View Post
    I'm hoping to have the cash for it some day. LOL! My only rifle is just short of making their list and I'm not sure why it doesn't qualify. But one day I'll have it covered! LOL!
    If your K31 was made in 1958 (the last year) it isn't old enough to be C&R. Has to be 50 years or older.

    manufacture dates by serial numbers: http://www.radix.net/~bbrown/schmidt...ml#manufacture
    1958 #260201 - #263330

    My K31 was made in 1949, serial number 923***.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bruce333 View Post
    If your K31 was made in 1958 (the last year) it isn't old enough to be C&R. Has to be 50 years or older.

    manufacture dates by serial numbers: http://www.radix.net/~bbrown/schmidt...ml#manufacture
    1958 #260201 - #263330

    My K31 was made in 1949, serial number 923***.
    The ATF site lists the serial numbers and mine still comes up short even at 71 years old. I researched it the day I got it and found it was made in 1936. Why my serial number isn't listed with ATF making it a C&R is beyond me.

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    the list put out by ATF is...
    ...a cumulative digest of determinations made by the BATF and is not inclusive of all weapons meeting curio or relic classification (i.e. firearms manufactuered at least 50 years prior to the current date).
    Just cause it isn't on the list doesn't mean it isn't C&R. Anything made 50 years prior to todays date is a relic. Curios can be newer than 50 years but need to be listed by BATF.

    27 CFR 178.11
    To be recognized as curios or relics, firearms must fall within one of the following categories:

    1.) Firearms which were manufactured at least 50 years prior to the current date, but not including replicas thereof;
    2.) Firearms which are certified by the curator of a municipal, State, or Federal museum which exhibits firearms to be curios or relics of museum interest; and
    3.) Any other firearms which derive a substantial part of their monetary value from the fact that they are novel, rare, bizarre, or because of their association with some historical figure, period, or event. Proof of qualification of a particular firearm under this category may be established by evidence of present value and evidence that like firearms are not available except as collector's items, or that the value of like firearms available in ordinary commercial channels is substantially less.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SuckLead View Post
    I just requested the paperwork to apply for my C&R License. Does anyone have one? How hard is it to get approved? Pros and cons of having one?
    The C&R is $30. After you get it, send it to Brownells and Midway and you'll get a discount(I've got a list of other places I'll post as soon as I can find it). You can buy a C&R gun from a retailer or wholesaler with no paperwork other than a signed copy of your C&R.

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    Did you apply for it?

    Here's a list of C&R dealers, some are non-firearms dealers that give a discount to C&R holders::

    AIM Surplus
    http://aimsurplus.com/

    Allan's Armory
    PO Box 331
    Graham,FL 32042
    352-468-2769
    http://www.allans-armory.com

    The Armory
    5313 Indian River Rd. #11
    Virginia Beach,VA 23464
    757-424-1617
    http://www.the-armory.com/

    Aztec International
    PO Box 771569
    Ocala,FL 34477
    352-629-6290
    http://www.aztecguns.com/

    BDL,Ltd.
    410 Meeting Street Road
    Edgefield,SC 29824
    803-637-5784
    http://www.bdlltd.com./

    Bob Adams Guns
    PO Box 23010
    Albuquerque,NM 87192
    505-255-6868
    http://www.adamsguns.com/

    Brownells Inc.
    200 South Front Street
    Montezuma,IA 50171
    800-741-0015
    http://www.brownells.com/

    Caliber Arms
    1687 Cloverview Dr
    Uniontown,OH 44685
    330-701-4827
    http://www.caliberarms.com/firearms.htm

    CDNN Investments
    P.O. Box 6514
    Abilene,TX 79608
    800-588-9500
    http://www.cdnninvestments.com/

    Centerfire Systems
    102 Fairview Drive, No. 2
    Versailles,KY 40383
    800-950-1231
    http://www.centerfiresystems.com

    Century International Arms,INC
    1161 Holland Dr.
    Boca Raton,FL 33487
    800-527-1252
    http://www.centuryarms.com

    Cherry's Fine Guns
    3402-A West Wendover Ave
    Greensboro,NC 27407
    336-854-4182
    http://www.cherrys.com/

    Classic Arms
    P.O. Box 125
    Indian Trail, NC 28079
    www.classicarms.us

    Cole Distributing
    P.O.Box 247
    Scottsville,KY 42164
    270-622-3569
    http://www.coledistributing.com/

    Dan's Sporting Goods
    #84, Route380
    Apollo, PA 15613
    Phone: 724 727-2648
    Fax: 724 727-2649
    http://www.dansammo.com/

    Ellison's Military Rifles
    P.O. Box 462
    Campbell,NY 14821
    607-527-8321
    http://www.ellisonsmilitaryrifles.com/

    Empire Arms
    95 Seminole Ave
    Ormond Beach,FL 32176
    386-677-7314
    http://www.empirearms.com/

    FGS Inc
    2330 17th Street
    Portsmouth, OH 45662
    http://fgsinc.8m.com/index.html

    Fulton Armory
    8725 Bollman Place #1
    Savage,MD 20763
    301-490-9485
    http://www.fulton-armory.com/

    Graf and Sons, Inc
    4050 S. Clark,
    Mexico, MO 65265
    http://www.grafs.com/

    Great Southern Arms
    2138 Patsy Hill Road
    Tylertown,MS 39667
    601-249-2275
    http://members.tripod.com/greatsoutherna

    Huntingtons
    P.O. Box 991,
    Oroville, CA 95965
    http://www.huntingtons.com/

    Interordnance
    3305 Westwood Industrial
    Monroe,NC 28110
    704-225-8843
    http://www.interordnance.com/

    J&G Sales, Ltd
    PO Box 10400, Dept N.
    440 Miller Valley Rd
    Prescott,AZ 86304
    928-445-9650
    http://www.jgsales.com

    Jim Supica
    http://armchairgunshow.com/

    J.L.D. Enterprises, Inc.
    P.O Box 562
    Unionville,CT 06085
    860-676-1776
    http://www.jldenter.com/JLD%20Order%20in

    Joeken Firearms
    PO Box 773
    Winslow,AZ 86047
    928-289-6429
    http://joekenfirearms.com/store/

    Kiesler's Wholesale
    3300 Industrial Parkway
    Jeffersonville,IN 47130
    888-543-7537
    http://www.kieslersonline.com/

    KY Imports
    P.O. Box 22446
    Louisville,KY 40252
    502-244-4400
    http://www.kyimports.com/

    L.C. Enterprises
    S 1093 County Road G
    Wonewoc,WI 53968
    608-464-7615
    http://www.dealerease.com/catalog/

    MacTec Enterprises
    P.O. Box 1145
    Jenkins,KY 41537
    606-832-4029
    http://mactec.e-gun.com/

    Midway USA
    Attention: Customer Service
    5875 W. Van Horn Tavern R
    Columbia,MO 65203
    800-243-3220
    http://www.midwayusa.com/

    Military Gun Supply
    3815 East Loop 820 South,
    Ft. Worth, TX 76119
    www.militarygunsupply.com/

    NARTRON, Inc.
    324 Knopp Valley Drive
    Winona,MN 55987
    http://www.luminet.net/~nartron/toc.html

    North China Arms & Antiques
    154A Locust Ave
    Fairmont,WV 26554
    304-367-9612

    Numrich Gun Parts (gunparts),
    226 Williams Lane, W.
    Hurley, NY 12491
    http://www.e-gunparts.com/

    Old Gun Supply
    6009 E. Lancaster
    Fort Worth,TX 76112
    817.457.6000
    http://www.oldgunsupply.com/index.php

    Samco Global Arms, Inc
    P. O. Box 7323
    Miami,FL 33152
    800-554-1618
    http://www.samcoglobal.com/

    SARCO Inc.
    PO Box 98
    323 Union Street
    Stirling,NJ 07980
    908-647-3800
    http://www.sarcoinc.com/

    Simpson LTD
    http://simpsonltd.com/

    SOG International
    PO Box 590
    240 Harmon Ave
    Lebanon,OH 45036
    800-944-4867
    http://www.southernohiogun.com

    Surplus Firearms
    8440 Ulmerton Rd #500
    Largo,FL 33771
    727-535-9803
    http://www.surplusfirearms.com/

    TAPCO, (parts, accessories)
    P.O. Box 2408,
    Kennesaw, GA 30156
    http://www.tapco.com/

    Tennessee Guns Inc.
    P.O. Box 9689
    Knoxville,TN 37940
    866-999-9707
    http://www.tennesseeguns.com/

    Wanamaker Guns
    7915 Southeastern Ave
    Indianapolis,IN 46239
    317-862-4867
    http://www.armscenter.com/wanamaker/

    PAT BURNS
    PERSONAL COLLECTION
    FORMER INVENTORY OF
    Wholesale Guns & Ammo, Inc.
    P.O. BOX 866
    AQUEBOGUE, NY 11931
    631-722-3300
    http://www.gunsnammo.com/
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