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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve M1911A1 View Post
    "Never had to run a rifle"? What does that mean?

    I've been "running" various rifles since I was 15, back in the mid-1950s. I started hunting when I was 16.
    I've shot innumerable tactical exercises, starting in 1978 and ending in 1999, in a very rigorous and realistic program that I helped to found and which is still going strong.
    I was mentored in my tactical rifle work by two former Marines, one of whom had been a sniper in Vietnam.
    I have helped teach, mentor, and coach other tactical rifle shooters, as part of the same program.

    In your video, Alex is cited as being able to make "good, clean shots out to 300 yards." How nice for him.
    Perhaps he'd like to try shooting at 1,000 yards against me and my bolt-action, semi-scout rifle.
    Or how 'bout man-vs.-man, first hit wins, at 600 yards, starting from standing at port arms?
    And I'll give him an advantage: I promise not to wear any wanna-be camouflage.

    Successful, accurate shooting with a "Klash" at 300 yards truly is a feat of marksmanship.
    But tell Alex that I believe that he'd do even better, if he didn't use the magazine as a monopod.

    Since we have reached a point in our discussion at which you have descended into an ad hominem attack ("It would appear that you have never had to run a rifle..."), I believe that it is time for me to drop out of it.
    You may, of course, continue on your own, if you so desire.

    Not an attack. If you had run your rifle before you would have understood what it meant. It means train with it. Use it outside the realm of a hunting trip or a range trip..The video was to show you how to prone with a 30 round mag. Guess you missed that part. If you think a 300 yard shot with a Klash is something find travis haleys video doing it out to 700 yards.

    I will leave it with this. You have been using your rifle since you were 15, hunting and having a good time. Some of us run our rifles. Putting more than 2000 rounds down range in a single class. That is the difference. Have a good day Steve....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harryball View Post
    Not an attack. If you had run your rifle before you would have understood what it meant. It means train with it. Use it outside the realm of a hunting trip or a range trip..The video was to show you how to prone with a 30 round mag. Guess you missed that part. If you think a 300 yard shot with a Klash is something find travis haleys video doing it out to 700 yards.

    I will leave it with this. You have been using your rifle since you were 15, hunting and having a good time. Some of us run our rifles. Putting more than 2000 rounds down range in a single class. That is the difference. Have a good day Steve....
    I tend to disagree with Steve on some points, but accusing him of not training with his guns, long or short, is a terrible mistake.

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    I once got into a huge fight with a pound of bacon...the bacon lost.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kg333 View Post
    I tend to disagree with Steve on some points, but accusing him of not training with his guns, long or short, is a terrible mistake.

    KG
    KG,

    As I see it. There have been no mistakes made here.

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    Up in Canada, if I may redirect, we have the CZ-858 available in both restricted, and non-restricted versions for civilians.. I'm ex-military, and, giving away my age, was one of the first platoons in ROTC to qualify with the "new" C-7 rifle, having replaced the old FN.

    I don't want to start any flaming, for I believe any AR-based platform .223 has its' place, and under ideal, dry & clean circumstances, is an extremely accurate weapon. I know both of our armed forces use variants and derivatives. I'm sorry, I think any M-16, M-4, AR, whatever, they're all the same with pretty much the same breech mechanism, are all pieces of unreliable crap when the situation is less than ideal. The Canadian C-7 rifles wouldn't even make a decent club because of all the plastic. I would trust them more in an urban setting, on a clear sunny day than I would ever carry something like this in a filthy wet jungle ever again.

    I'm not too sure about the laws governing AK-47 ownership up here. I think the rifle may even be prohibited, but don't quote me. I don't know. Whatever the case, the CZ is a fairly accurate AK variant. I believe it is better. Components are all milled, and there's even a larger ejection aperture for spent casings. This thing can be beat on in much the same manner as an AK. I was originally going to buy an SKS, but found the CZ instead. Now, pricing is certainly different. An old SKS can run you as low as $150-$200 here, whereas the CZ-858 will cost you around $600. The furniture that comes with it is adequate. I didn't like it, and found the rifle felt small in my hands, so I purchased some upgrades from Zahal, and now couldn't be happier. It fires any ammo I put into it, including the ghetto milsurp garbage. It eats it up with narry a jam. In fact, with the addition of a 2x42 red dot scope on the thing, I was shocked to see I could shoot it accurately out to 250 yards (the farthest I've tried yet). I am fully aware of the differences of the AR, but I was quite satisfied with these results. In an urban setting, I don't think my target would be much further away, house-to-house, and in a questionable environment I certainly don't plan on walking out in the open where someone can peg me from 500 yards away.

    Just my two cents, anyways. Firearms are just like motor oil. Everyone has their favorite brand and reasons why theirs is the best. I just thought I'd add in about the CZ, because I feel it has a place in with the SKS family.

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    The poor SKS. The old girl just can't catch a break. It is what it is, and does what it does.

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    Quote Originally Posted by berettatoter View Post
    The poor SKS. The old girl just can't catch a break. It is what it is, and does what it does.
    I do not think they will leave it alone under a ban. If you want one, get it now....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harryball View Post
    I do not think they will leave it alone under a ban. If you want one, get it now....
    I agree. I have had three of them in the past, but the last one I sold to one of my older brothers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by berettatoter View Post
    I agree. I have had three of them in the past, but the last one I sold to one of my older brothers.
    I found one on gunbroker last week. The cost $1900.00 yes $1900.00. I am not sure if it is still there, but its getting down right ridiculous

    EDIT to add: Its now $1399.00 http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=324293613

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