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      enlighten me on sniper fundementals

      Does anyone know where to find some good literature on sniping fundamentals such as: spin drift calculations, windage, corealas effect, etc??? im really intrigued by it and would like to learn more as im wanting to step up in some long range shooting. main things im looking for is the calculations/formulas needed for such shots in 600+yds any advice or direction where to find this knowledge is much appreciated
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      covers all of those questions and more, gives you a good solid understanding, as well as goes in depth enough to put the knowledge to functional use. awesome book, I take it with me every where to re-study or as a reference.

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      thanks much does this cover extreme long distance shooting?

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      the best place to find the correct information on "sniping fundamentals" is thru free training offered by either the USMC or the USArmy . both have excellent sniper schools and will even pair you up with a "weatherman" . let us know how it works out for you.....

      oh, wait...... are you not interested in being a real sniper? just wanna learn long distance marksmanship but not have to do "real sniper stuff"? like a half mile crawl in a ghillie suit in 100 degree weather just to be in place to take a shot 5 hours later?

      probably prefer to sit in a shaded shelter and rest your rifle on a nice flat bench and make a shot in between sips of an iced cold fuji water?..... its not the same!

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      every effect including corealis effect. it will give you the understanding and knowledge used for making long distance shots. at the point how far you can accurately shoot is up to you and your firearm

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      Try doing a google search on long distance shooting basics. That should get a few good reads and hopefully send you to whatever you are trying to find.

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      There are several forums devoted to the subject; Google "sniper rifle forums".

      This seems to be one of the more popular ones: Sniper's Hide Forums - Forums powered by UBB.threads™

      These people make some of the best sniping rifles: http://www.undergroundsw.com/page7.php

      Their "Perseus" rifle is one of the very best.

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      Thanks guys and teddebear I would like to join in but can't for reasons that have nothing to do with this forum either way extreme long distance shooting is referred to as sniping. So sorry for whatever disappointment I put you through. But I already knew the usmc had the best school. That's why I was asking for literature and formulas not classes and training. But thanks anyway.

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      These people offer a sniper school. Five days, ten hours per day. $220.00 per day = $1,100.00

      It appears that it is open to civilians, but is designed for pre-deployment and LEO mostly. You'd have to contact them to be sure. They list "prerequisites: none". Located in Arizona, so go in the winter during your Christmas vacation or it will be too hot.

      GPS Defense Sniper School - Sniper Courses

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      thanks gunners mate i am ordering that book right now. hope its as good as you say lol. and thanks packard but im really just looking for literature and how to calculate long shots right now.

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      you didnt put me thru anything.... my point is only that words mean things and long distance marksmanship and sniping are not and never will be the same thing. different skills are needed for each. they are not interchangeable.

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      well the fundamentals on achieving accuracy and target aquisation are the same principals as in sniping for an army the main difference is doing so under pressure with time limitations and problem solving on the fly. im very aware of the difference between the two and your right they are not the same cuz a bullseye and a person cannot be compared as the same. but ALL the fundamentals are the same down to breathing right, spotting yourself/and or having a spotter, and the ballistics that come with shooting distances over 600 yards. like i said im trying to get into extreme long distance shooting so the more i learn the better aside from military training.

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      Quote Originally Posted by 45Sidekick View Post
      well the fundamentals on achieving accuracy and target aquisation are the same principals as in sniping for an army the main difference is doing so under pressure with time limitations and problem solving on the fly. im very aware of the difference between the two and your right they are not the same cuz a bullseye and a person cannot be compared as the same. but ALL the fundamentals are the same down to breathing right, spotting yourself/and or having a spotter, and the ballistics that come with shooting distances over 600 yards. like i said im trying to get into extreme long distance shooting so the more i learn the better aside from military training.
      i gotcha. your definition as applied by you make you correct.... a long distance marksman is the same as a sniper. i am sure carlos hathcock , vassili zaitsev and christopher reynolds would have welcomed the news that all of their other skills werent needed at all.

      rock on armchair sniper!

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      not what i said the principals are the same but the follow through is totally different. generally people (citizens) refer to extreme long distance marksmen as snipers for the distance and fundamentals they both follow, like i said there is no comparison between being at a shooting competition vs. vietnam, etc... so since its obviously a sore topic for you to accept that generally people refer to long distance shooting to sniping. ok you win cuz they are wrong, BUT you cannot tell me that the fundamentals for shooting that long of a distance are the same as sniping fundamentals for the same distance, all you do is subtract the war, and add a competition and where are you? the same place shooting essentially the same guns and the same distances... so let me go ahead and apologize again for the misunderstanding on sniping vs. long distance marksmanship.

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      Quote Originally Posted by 45Sidekick View Post
      thanks gunners mate i am ordering that book right now. hope its as good as you say lol. and thanks packard but im really just looking for literature and how to calculate long shots right now.
      no problem. I love that book, it goes above and beyond my level of skill without a doubt, and goes into mathematical formulae that I honestly don't have the education to figure out, as yet. But it does a VERY good job of putting the concepts into laymans terms, and illustrating thing's in ways to help make sense. It will teach you thing's you hadn't even imagined about firearms prior to reading it. enjoy!

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      well thanks again i cant wait til it comes in, that stuff is really interesting, I'm trying to learn all i can

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      Perhaps "sniper" was the wrong word. There are shooting competitions over 600 yards and 1,000 yards. Nothing dies; paper gets wounded.

      See: NBRSA Records's blog | National Benchrest Shooters Association

      I could see the pleasure derived from putting three round groups into a target at 200 yards inside a circle measuring .375".

      We don't have any 600 yard ranges around our neck of the woods, but there are plenty of 100 yard ranges and a few 200 yard ranges where we can try this. If I had a rifle that was capable of those tight groups I'd give it a try. The ammo is crazy-expensive, especially if you go to something like a .338 Lapua. Where some of the rounds are $5.00 per shot.

      But there are worse hobbies to get into. And as a hobby, actual killing is contra-recommended.

      I think "sniping" was a poor word, but it adequately described the information the O.P. was looking for.

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      Thank you Packard for your wisdom

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      Quote Originally Posted by Packard View Post

      I think "sniping" was a poor word, but it adequately described the information the O.P. was looking for.
      i tend to disagree, did he want info on stealth approach?? making his own ghillie suit? recon? intel? egress and exfo?

      but again, i leave it to the armchair snipers. whimper fi!

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      I have to agree with Ted (yet again): Long-range shooting and "sniping" are nothing like the same.
      I've done quite a lot of 1,000-yard "practical" shooting, including at moving targets. I know how difficult it is, to consistently make good hits at distances past 600 yards, especially with the first shot. But that is not sniping.
      Sniping involves a lot more than "mere" shooting, and long-range shooting isn't the half of it.

      Before you begin to learn, you have to first decide what it is that you want to accomplish.
      That includes learning something about the nomenclature involved, so you can ask cogent questions.

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