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    let me go ahead and appologize for the miscomunication on my part by refering sniping in the wrong sense. i was trying to find out the procedures, formulas, and calculations to take extremely long shots thats why i refered to sniping as the marines have the best to offer on the subject whether you are going to be a true sniper or use the knowledge for competition shooting as i am intending on doing, at the end of the day im just searching for the knowledge to do so. so again sorry on part for not correctly refering it as extreme long distance marksmenship, but i would like to learn more about sniping as well. my main goal was to learn formulas, as well as sniper training basics to exercise myself as i would like to take 600+yard shots after running my a** off. so please understand no harm intended and just want to learn the most i can about the subject, outside of joining the marines or air force as i am unable to for now

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    btw does anyone have some hands on experience with a 38super caliber gun, if so please check my post on the subject, thanks

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    Crikey! Glad we all hashed out the obvious that sniping and long distance marksmanship are not the same. Seems as though 45Sidekick has been satisfactorily flambeed for his terminology faux-pas. Are we trying to find out just how many apologies we can get out of the newcomer? Give the guy a break already.

    45Sidekick, I'd suggest that you guard against ever referring to a magazine as a clip, or there might be a lynching.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MLB View Post
    I'd suggest that you guard against ever referring to a magazine as a clip, or there might be a lynching.
    BwaHaHaHaaaHa!

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    first.... @mlb .....i aint looking for an apology or any other kowtowing from the new member, and forgive me in advance if i something i said gets your panties in a bunch..... didnt mean to make you cry..... but if he DOES call a magazine a clip i do hope someone educates him on the correct terminology.

    @45sidekick.... i do hope you understand that its nothing personal with me, i am not and never was good enough to be a sniper for any military unit anywhere except maybe luxembourg. BUT i had scout/snipers on my fire team and i have the ultimate respect for them. anyone who can make 2 kill shots at 8000 feet is godlike in his ability to rain down death and destruction...... and yes, 8000 feet is 1.5 miles.

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    thanks mlb, teddebear its fine it seems like your almost as stuborn as me, but do understand that it was a mistake and not a huge one so no hard feelings

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    You guys are too uptight about the misuse of words. if one would have simply over-looked the fact to begin with this thread would be full of.... 2 useful posts to the OP.

    yes there's a difference between a sniper and long distance shooting, bench rest or no. by the questions asked in the original post it was plainly obvious he wasn't talking about camoflouge fundamentals, cover and concealment, stealth, silence, approach and departure towards a target, using environments to your advantage, ect.

    now if the thread could possibly continue with it's original intent, the discussion of long range shooting and the factors and equations involved in solving for said factors.

    for example did you know the Navy was at one point effectively putting bullets down ranges of over 24 nautical miles? effective kills from over the horizon, now THATS sniping, :P

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    now thats bada***

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunners_Mate View Post
    . . . now if the thread could possibly continue with it's original intent, the discussion of long range shooting and the factors and equations involved in solving for said factors. . .
    I'll try to actually "add a bit" to the previous good references.

    Go to the Millett sight home page link below. Click on "Shooting Tips from Major John Plaster" He may have been a sniper, but this is just "shooting".
    The tips are a series of sorta short but VERY DETAILED items about individual considerations and techniques for LONG distance shooting.
    They can be read on the site, but are most useful as PDF downloads suitable for reading and printing. And re-reading.
    Millett Sights - Home

    Disclaimer: I have no connection to Millet. Or the Major.

    Last year I bought a Millet TRS-1 (Tactical Rifle Scope) 4x-16x by 50 mm. With their "Mil-Dotbar" illuminated reticle. Reset to zero "target/tactical knobs".
    Their setup allows you to read and adjust elevation/windage knobs while your cheek is still "welded" to the stock.
    Also, their site has the "Instruction and Operation Manual for the TRS-1. Presents how to use Mil-Dot reticles for long range shooting.

    Their TRS-1 is on a Rem. 700 I bought back in the '90's. A Rem. 700 with stainless receiver, heavy stainless fluted barrel, composite stock. Harris bipod.
    Rem. catalogued this as a "varmint rifle". Which it mostly was(is). Mine is the top of the range of Rem. "varmint cartridges". As in the Win. 308
    nee 7.62 NATO. I have been known joke with friends it's for "very large varmints". It's basically the M40, except not all black.

    The Millet replaced a standard reticle target scope. This "new" combination shoots very well. I am lucky enough to be able to go out to our Nat'l Forest.
    Where I can try (try is the correct word) to make shots at "unknown distances well beyond 100 yards". The scope is designed to help you do just that.
    I find this is a LOT more fun than trying to minimize a group at 100 yds, over and over and over again. Your mileage may vary.

    I guess some folks might think I'm a "wanna be" sniper. Nope, at age 69 I just enjoy the "shooting challenge" different from the 100 yard target deal.
    I don't even own any camo or black tactical clothing.

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    For some instant gratification try Googling "zeroing in long distance scope" and you will find many articles and discussions on the subject.

    See: zeroing in long distance scope - Google Search

    As for actual shooting, the same skills that get you bulls eyes at 100 and 200 yards will get you good marks at the longer distances. But your errors will be magnified by 3 or 6 times. So if you are shooting to 1" at 100 yards you might find your groups now at 6". Lots of practice involved (and no coffee just before shooting.)

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    thanks guys ill check them out

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