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    1. #61
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      12ga. Remington auto loader all the way. and it doubles as a skeet shooter on the weekends.

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      With what I have.. I would choose my AR-15 because my O/U is not practical for HD.

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      Discussion...

      ...is the right term...all three have merit...here's what I do and why:

      my son-16...outshoots me most days...Ruger P90 and 10/22 with two 30-round mags of LRHP...his room
      my room...Ruger P90 and Mossberg 20-ga. 6-shot...first four slugs...last two buck

      ...front closet...Marlin 30-30, Ruger Mini-14, Winch 12 ga pump with buckshot.

      ...kitchen....44 Special...

      I've taught my sons to shoot the shotguns like they were rifles...aim ...to drop down and shoot at an upward angle if they can...I want the slug in the house to hit the perp, not the family member they may be holding...buckshot's for outside...as are the .223 and .30-30 rifles
      ...gotta consider who's in the next rooms...neighbors...every piece of lead fired in the house needs to be aimed...if they're holding my boy...a shotgun with buckshot's useless...

      ...pistol, revolver, rifle, shotgun...different tools....same purpose...

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      Shotgun. Period.
      I have a 12ga for HD, 5 00bk. I might rearrange the shells so its 00bk/slug/00bk/slug/00bk. I never keep one in the chamber, so I only have 5 rounds.

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      Mossberg 500 of course..very reliable...it makes me feel....invincible. Yup! that's the word -- invincible -- hopefully I never have to use it.

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      If you are worried about recoil I noticed someone had already mentioned a .410. I am kind of torn on which gauge I want. I was planning on getting a tactical type shotgun but I believe I have settled for a double barrel stage coach style shotgun to start with.

      Then my next purchase will either be a p90, ps90, or an FN2000.

      But I agree with alot of people. I couldnt use a hunting rifle type firearm for HD. Maybe if I didnt live somewhere with alot of houses. But for here I cant.

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      Certainly a 12 pump or auto.
      Find a place where you can shoot the shottie in the dark - preferably inside an old shed or barn.
      Be sure it's safe!
      After the first shell, you'll be blind and deaf for a few. Takes some getting used to. Hope you don't have to.

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      The Shotgun is the better of the two and might be better than a hand gun if it is very short - open bored - and keep on the floor by the bed (within easy reach).

      Just mho


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      Just use SOMETHING

      Personally, I don't care what I use for SD if my family or property is in serious danger. I have shotguns, rifles, and my trusty pistol. It really depends on the situation for me, so I did not vote. If it were a split second situation where I had no time, it would be my pistol, because when I am awake, its on my hip. When I sleep, its within reach. If I had enough time I would prefer the shotgun, and whatever shells I could load into it in a few seconds...whether it be bird, 00 buck, sabots, I probably wouldn't care at the time.

      I guess my point is as long as I have the ability to protect my loved ones, I don't care which type is in my hands.

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      Remington 870.

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      Shotgun for HD.

      RCG

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      Shotgun, and my pistol is always by my bedside when I sleep. The question came up however of clearing a house and this is a horse of a completely different color. If I had to choose from my available arsenal I would probably go after grandpas m1 carbine due to its maneuverability in tight spaces and the marine corps thought it had good enough stopping power to issue it to him.

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      I do have an AR15,but seeing as it has a 7.5 inch barrel and were talking rifles,i go with my Mossy 590.It scares the crap out of people,and has a giant light on the end of it.Besides,what sounds worse.1 hole or 12?

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      Remington 870

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      Bonjour,
      you fella's in the US are lucky you can defend your home and loved ones. It a right you should fight to keep till the end of time.
      I'm in France and your not allowed to have a weapon for HD....but... I have a coach gun under the bed loaded with 'novelty ammo'!!!!
      I bought it at my local gun store, its a light load with 8 hard rubber balls in it. It aint a man stopper but 2 in the face with not be a fun thing.
      For me its my 2 dogs, then 2 barrels for HD.

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      Home defense is a job for anything that immediately falls to hand.

      Closest is a loaded .45 ACP pistol. Not far off is a loaded 12ga shotgun. A rifle is not the best HD tool, but I can see its usefulness in a not-yet-in-the-house, multi-attacker scenario.

      Fusil, where you are you should just throw apples at them, or drown them in Calvados.
      Hmmm... That brings up a good pensée Normand: Sanglier, marinée en Calvados, rôti pomme-en-bouche! Miam!

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      rifle vs shotgun

      Shotguns not only create the most damage at HD ranges (and a little her) but they are a much more responsible choice in terms of over penetration. Rifle rounds can easily punch through walls in your house and enter neighbors houses where as a shotgun is pretty much garunteed to stop within your house. IMHO if you need to stop someone up close there really is no better option than a 12 ga shotgun.

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      Buckshot penetrates more layers of drywall than a .223. So does just about any pistol round. The 223 starts getting sideways and starts to fragment as soon as it hits the first layer of drywall. After two layers of a wall, the second wall will only show splatter of the 223 impacting it. Buckshot will penetrate the second wall. I'm not saying which is better for home defense, just saying there is alot of misinformation about what and how different projectiles penetrate. Tests confirming this information are easily found. This stuff has already been covered in this thread, I just thought it was worth repeating because I'm sure not everybody has read everything posted. Kind of a long one.

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      To many people think that the shotgun is some kind of magical device that just makes the bad guys go away with the racking of the slide. Another common mistake is loading up with 00 buck or slugs for home defense. Those loads will definitely put the hurt on a bad guy, but they will also penetrate thru several layers of drywall and end up who knows where. Another misconception is to point in the general direction of the baddie and fire away. Most experts agree that #4 buck is better for home defense. It puts significant lead deep in the target with less risk of overpenetration. Bird shot is generally considered as a poor choice for HD. While it does make for an ugly wound, it doesn't penetrate enough to reach vital organs. Slugs are a proven man stopper, but they will sail thru the average interior/exterior wall. Then there's the guy who swears by the 3" magnum. These are great if you enjoy punishing your shoulder, but offer no real advantage for HD.

      Like any weapon system, there are no guarantees. There are numerous variables you must consider when choosing a firearm or ammo for HD. Too many of us don't take the time to properly research before we "load up". There are many shotgun loads available that are designed for home defense, developed from actual shootings. They are more expensive, but I think our families are worth the cost. We need to put away the "Rambo" mentality and be realistic about HD.

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      @ fusel

      Is a "coach" gun a short double barrel shotgun in France?

      That's what we call them over here.

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