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    New Product Kel-Tec RFB/Steve-Mike Rifle Love Fest

    For those who are interested, FYI, according to FN, all models of the RFB will be out mid December 2008. If that's true, that would be a nice gift from Santa. The pictures and video looks very nice. Would not hold my breath, since I waited a year for their FNP 45 to finally hit the street.

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    So...is it a KelTec or an FN?

    As I understand the RFB, it is made by KelTec but used FAL mags.
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    I believe we're talking about KelTec's .308 bullpup rifle, but I wanted to make sure we're talking about the same thing before I moved it to the Long Gun subforum.

    http://www.kel-tec-cnc.com/news.html (Scroll to the bottom.)
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    Sorry for the confusion, it is a KelTec. I was just referring to the FNP45 that I had wanted and waited almost a year after it was announced.

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    Yeah, people have been waiting a looooooooooooooooooooooooong time for the RFB. I'll just move this over to Long Gun. Thanks for clarifying.
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    My response to the Kel-Tec RFB rifle is, "How silly!"
    Look at the Kel-Tec mock-up in operation. Now, think about clearing jams.
    Remember that the ejection channel will not be open-sided, as the demo-model's is.
    My complaint about the AUG was that its ejection port was so small that you almost had to remove its barrel to clear any jam. What is the user going to do about clearing a jam in the innards of the RFB?
    What was Kel-Tec thinking?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve M1911A1 View Post
    What was Kel-Tec thinking?
    They're probably thinking that the gun is basically a range toy. Which, for virtually all buyers, it will be. How many people use .308 rifles for defense?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Barham View Post
    They're probably thinking that the gun is basically a range toy. Which, for virtually all buyers, it will be. How many people use .308 rifles for defense?
    Yeah, you're right. Very few people use .308 for defense.
    I, for instance, use .30-'06, in eight-round, en-bloc clips.

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    Well, if I had to shoot a guy with a rifle, I guess my Garand would serve as well as anything else. But the "trunk gun" guys seem to like ARs and AKs rather than M1s, M1As and such. Anyway, most people don't carry rifles in their vehicles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Barham View Post
    Well, if I had to shoot a guy with a rifle, I guess my Garand would serve as well as anything else. But the "trunk gun" guys seem to like ARs and AKs rather than M1s, M1As and such. Anyway, most people don't carry rifles in their vehicles.
    We live in a very rural area. I carry a rifle in my truck.
    It's a M1903A3 in .30-'06, and it has been modified (by me) to break down into two 25"-long pieces so it's easy to store in a bag.
    It's fed by the usual five-round strippers.

    We now return you to the original subject of this thread...

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    Steve, you simply must work on your ninjahood. I mean, a bolt action rifle? How will you ever be able to rumble with a platoon of al-Qaeda on the streets of Seattle without an M4gery and a chest rig full of spare 30-round mags?

    Seriously, your rifle sounds outstanding.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Barham View Post
    Steve, you simply must work on your ninjahood...
    Well, I do wear black pants on occasion. Does that help?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve M1911A1 View Post
    Well, I do wear black pants on occasion. Does that help?
    Only when paired with tabi shoes and that funny mask.

    But if you painted your '03A3 black and duct taped a Surefire to the stock, you'd be moving in the right direction.

    Seriously, any chance of you posting some pics of the rifle?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Barham View Post
    ...any chance of you posting some pics of the rifle?
    My Garand is lots prettier, but OK, I'll take some photos of my modified Springfield and post them.
    Give me a day or two.

    Back when I was still active in the Southern California Tactical Combat program, my "everyday" rifle was another Springfield, also self-modified, with a 10-round magazine (fed by strippers), a down-bore "scout" scope and backup Lyman #48 iron sights, and a pull-out bipod.
    When I retired from the program, I decided to upgrade that rifle with a new Fibreglas stock with lots of in-butt storage, and a stronger 10-round mag box.
    But then I moved here to this peaceful little island, and got involved in our community theater, and my "everyday" Springfield has sat forelorn in our basement, in half-finished pieces, ever since.
    I think that my new motto will have to be numquam paratus (totally unprepared).

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    Cripes. Did you have a Clifton stock??

    Anyway, pretty is nice, but practical rules.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Barham View Post
    Cripes. Did you have a Clifton stock??...
    Yup. And so's the "new" (uncompleted) one.
    (I may still get to work on it, so if you're interested in buying the outfit, please wait and ask my widow.)

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    Any idea whatever happened to Brent Clifton?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Barham View Post
    Any idea whatever happened to Brent Clifton?
    None at all.
    I've been "out of the loop" for almost 15 years now, and haven't communicated with him for at least 12.
    He probably just quietly went out of business. His bipod stocks left a lot to be desired, truth be told, so his business may just have failed.
    I have had to extensively modify his stock, and do a lot of fiddling with its bipod mechanism, to make the outfit work properly.

    Interesting point (because of the origin of this thread): Probably the best civilian built-in-bipod designs are the Kel-Tec and the Steyr (both similar in design and operation). I'd've preferred one of them, but they weren't available yet when I started my project. Further, making a similar setup from scratch would be beyond my mechanical abilities.

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    Here are the requested photos of my takedown M1903A3 car gun.
    (Click on each link to enlarge the photo and see detail.)

    1. The rifle in its case:


    2. The rifle parts, out of the case:


    3. The barrelled action:


    4. The modified action in detail:


    5. The stock:


    6. How it goes together, part 1:


    7. The magazine:


    8. How it goes together, part 2:


    9. The rifle, ready to go:

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