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    Do you own any NFA/Class III guns?

    Who Has One?

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    I don't know what a class III pemit is, so I voted know but I want one.

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    I'd like some class III stuff, but I have no use for them. I don't need a suppressor for my .22LR or .45, and I don't need a fully automatic MP5 or M4 for HD. Not worth the six month wait and $200 stamp, at least not for me.

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    What's a Class III "permit?"

    As I understand the process, you apply for a tax stamp for each NFA item. There's no "permit" like you'd get to carry a concealed pistol.

    I don't have any NFA guns due to lack of interest in them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GTD View Post
    I don't know what a class III pemit is, so I voted know but I want one.
    Class III stuff is regulated by the BATF. Hand grenades, supressors, fully auto weapons, shotguns with barrels shorter than 18", etc. Basically they're consider much more dangerous than standard firearms, so they have to do a full-blown background check on you, you have to get fingerprints and a sheriff signature, and so on. It's complicated and expensive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fivehourfrenzy View Post
    Class III stuff is regulated by the BATF. Hand grenades, supressors, fully auto weapons, shotguns with barrels shorter than 18", etc. Basically they're consider much more dangerous than standard firearms, so they have to do a full-blown background check on you, you have to get fingerprints and a sheriff signature, and so on. It's complicated and expensive.
    Way out of my league!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Barham View Post
    What's a Class III "permit?"

    As I understand the process, you apply for a tax stamp for each NFA item. There's no "permit" like you'd get to carry a concealed pistol.

    I don't have any NFA guns due to lack of interest in them.
    Well I was told by an Impact guns (yes I realize they don't know everything but seeing as they have a class III section on their website...) that in Utah you can get a "class III permit" that would allow you to purchase fully automatic weapons as well as short barrel rifles ( rifles, shotguns, ect with a barrel shorter then 18") and suppressors. I was curious to see what other states have similar laws and who had any info about the subject.

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    As stated previously, not a permit. But, I do have an ATF form 1, filled out and stamped that goes with my homeade suppressor.

    A form 4 would be required to buy a premade full auto/suppressor/short barreled rifle or shotgun.

    There fun, but my suppressor only cost me the price of the stamp. $200.

    Everything else I had to make it.

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    Found this on their site guess i should have looked a little harded before starting a thread

    Machine Guns-- Legalities of Ownership
    It is a common misconception that machine guns cannot be owned by law-abiding citizens. This comes from the creation of a variety of confusing laws that have made purchasing a full-auto gun more difficult than purchasing a "normal" gun. But, you can comply with the law and own a machine gun.

    First a little history: In May of 1986, certain laws went into effect that made it illegal for 'civilians' to own fully automatic firearms that were manufactured AFTER THAT DATE. Most fully automatic weapons manufactured and registered BEFORE MAY, 1986, MAY BE OWNED BY AND SOLD TO INDIVIDUALS. The full-auto guns that may be owned by individuals are called 'transferable'. Some states DO NOT allow machine gun ownership at all, no matter when the gun was made, but most states do.

    To purchase a transferable machine gun, you must meet certain requirements (generally the same as when you purchase another gun), fill out special paperwork (called a 'form 4'), and pay a $200, one-time, transfer tax. Every time a machine gun is transferred, the $200 tax must be paid-- usually by the purchaser. The steps to take to purchase a transferable machine gun are:

    Find a dealer locally who can assist you in all phases of the transfer. This should go beyond helping you fill out the paperwork: they should help you locate the gun if it isn't in stock and allow you to shoot the gun while your paperwork is being processed by the BATF (Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms). It will usually take 4-6 weeks for the dealer to get the gun from another dealer if they don't already have it in stock (due to BATF paperwork delays).
    Get your fingerprints (either by a police dept. or by a qualified fingerprinter, two imprints are needed) and two passport sized pictures taken. These will be used to perform a comprehensive criminal background check on you.
    Have your local dealer help you fill out an "Application for Tax Paid Transfer And Registration Of Firearm" for, known as a "form 4".
    You must have the signature of the Chief Law Enforcement (CLEO) officer that has jurisdiction over the municipality in which you live on the form 4. This could be the City Chief or the County Sheriff, for example. This is usually not a problem-- in machine gun friendly states. The form 4, CLEO signature, 2 fingerprint cards, 2 pictures, and a $200 check (your one-time transfer tax) must all be mailed to the BATF and an approved tax stamp returned before you may take possession of the gun. This may take anywhere from 2 to 5 months.
    Although it may seem complicated, we are happy to help you through every step in the process. We have transferable guns in stock, and if we don't have it, we can tap into a network of dealers in other states to find it for you. Let us help you get the full-auto gun that you've always wanted-- they are worth it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Barham View Post
    you apply for a tax stamp for each NFA item. There's no "permit" like you'd get to carry a concealed pistol.
    That's correct. Basically if I wanted a 10-pack of hand grenades, I would need a $200 tax stamp for each one of them. It's a one-time fee for any NFA class III item that's non transferrable, but you have to get the stamp for each item. If you want four shotguns with 14" barrels, you have to get four $200 tax stamps, and that stamp has to accompany the particular item for as long as you have it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Drew_Rami_P View Post
    Well I was told by an Impact guns (yes I realize they don't know everything but seeing as they have a class III section on their website...) that in Utah you can get a "class III permit" that would allow you to purchase fully automatic weapons as well as short barrel rifles ( rifles, shotguns, ect with a barrel shorter then 18") and suppressors. I was curious to see what other states have similar laws and who had any info about the subject.
    That's true for dealers...class III dealers can purchase class III items, but for an individual to get one of the items, they have to deal with the tax stamp stuff. Most upper-level LEO agencies have the permit so they can issue 14" barreled shotguns and full-auto SMGs and assault rifles to their teams and/or officers, but the agency still owns them. An officer can't buy one for personal use unless he gets the $200 tax stamp.

    In all honesty, unless you have a legitimate use for a class III weapon, it's too expensive and time-consuming to bother. I wouldn't mind having a Glock 18 though (full-auto Glock 17).

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    No interest, especially full-auto. I can barley afford to shoot now, no need to spit 30+ rounds down range in a couple seconds. I might as well toss money in the toilet.

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    As we like to say at Galco, full-autos are the best way in the world to turn dollars into noise.
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    One-shot-at-a-time accuracy vastly increases your apparent ammunition supply.
    Full-auto is not a viable replacement for well-practiced competence.

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    I like them but I could never pay for the ammo bill.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fivehourfrenzy View Post
    I don't need a suppressor for my .22LR or .45,
    Please to explain your P22 with threaded barrel.


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    Quote Originally Posted by submoa View Post
    Please to explain your P22 with threaded barrel.

    [clearing my throat]...for those of you that recall, when I first joined the forum I was dead set on a suppressor for my P22. Things have changed in the passing months, but not before I bought a threaded barrel end for the suppressor to be attached.

    In all actuality, it's $32 I'd like to have back, but it's too late to send it back in for a refund. Oh well, lesson learned. Don't buy a threaded barrel end until you actually have the suppressor.

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    If you want further information on firearms and items covered by the NFA, here are a few good places to start


    http://www.titleii.com/old_index.html

    http://www.silencertests.com/

    http://www-2.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs/user/...ublic/nfalist/

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    I'd love to own a Class III. In particular, an MP5. They are a pretty fun little gun to shoot (I shoot them from time to time) and relatively inexpensive to shoot being 9mm.

    I have on the other hand been bitten by the SBR bug. I am currently in process for an SBR and suppressor for my PS90. There is absolutely no need for it, other than I could afford it and I think it'd be cool as all get out! I'd also like to get my FAL shortened to 14", but that's a ways down the road. I've got bolt guns to reach out there, so I think it'd be fun to either SBR that .308, or buy a SCAR-H when they come out.

    As an aside, there are a couple of guys at Impact that are pretty knowledgeable, I have spoken with them quite a bit in person, and they are usually more than willing to spend an hour BSing about NFA stuff.

    There is little need for full auto other than the smile factor it gives you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zhurdan View Post
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    I have on the other hand been bitten by the SBR bug. I am currently in process for an SBR and suppressor for my PS90. There is absolutely no need for it, other than I could afford it and I think it'd be cool as all get out! I'd also like to get my FAL shortened to 14", but that's a ways down the road. I've got bolt guns to reach out there, so I think it'd be fun to either SBR that .308, or buy a SCAR-H when they come out.

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    There is little need for full auto other than the smile factor it gives you.

    Zhur
    Be careful what you ask for. I have an HK-51 (NATO .308) with a full-auto sear; it has an 8-inch barrel and the muzzle blast and pressure waves are absolutely tremendous. I also have an AR-15 SBR with an 11-1/2 inch barrel, it's much, much easier on your ears and your fellow shooters.

    Ditto on the smile factor!

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    Quote Originally Posted by fivehourfrenzy View Post
    In all honesty, unless you have a legitimate use for a class III weapon, it's too expensive and time-consuming to bother. I wouldn't mind having a Glock 18 though (full-auto Glock 17).

    Legitimate reason? This from a guy who owns throwing stars?
    They are fun. That’s a good enough reason. It is expensive, but you really need to experience a brass rainbow from a Mac.
    Its also a lot of fun to shoot your suppressed .22 for a couple of hours with no hearing protection.
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