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    Other than Lugers can other semi aute guns fire when field stripped?

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    Are there any other semi-auto handguns other than Lugers that can fired when field stripped?
    The P08 series can be fired with just the upper receiver/barrel parts by pushing the exposed sear system.
    And if memory serves there are some semi-autos that have a exposed sear bar, but when field stripped to the frame and slide components that is no longer a problem?
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    I suppose any Glock slide/barrel assembly could be fired under similar circumstances, but I hesitate to discuss details, because then some dumb-arse would probably shoot himself or someone else while trying it. The fact that the gun would definitely fire during the early stages of disassembly, if left loaded, helps to discourage this (so don't try this at home, folks!).

    It would require more effort than just pressing on one spot, though, with the firing pin block always passively locking the pin until moved. Not something that would happen by accident, in any case.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ACESDUGOUT View Post
    Howdy Y'all
    Are there any other semi-auto handguns other than Lugers that can fired when field stripped?
    The P08 series can be fired with just the upper receiver/barrel parts by pushing the exposed sear system.
    And if memory serves there are some semi-autos that have a exposed sear bar, but when field stripped to the frame and slide components that is no longer a problem?
    Any assistance would be appreciated.
    Yours in service
    James Acerra
    If a gun is field striped, why in the world would it be loaded?

    I think this is a stupid proposition. Just saying......

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    Ever hear of AD's? Thing have happened that’s why the Mfg's of the Luger installed the Sear Bar cover due to AD's from mishandling, also why they changed the direction of the Safety it was one of the early semi autos back in the day. And as anyone knows the only stupid question is the one unasked. Also this is one of the few early firearms that the barrel & firing system are still together after removal from the frame in so few steps. When training or working with owners of Lugers it's best to advise them of this problem. Not everyone is as proficient in firearms safety.
    But thank you for your concern.
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    The question is "Other than Lugers can other semi aute guns fire when field stripped?", not "Other than Lugers can other semi aute guns fire while being field stripped?". In the OP's question, the gun would have already been field stripped which means broken down into its major parts for cleaning. Had he asked "while being field stripped", then the answer for a number of pistols would be yes IF you include the human element and a mistake or mistakes made on his part (yes, the use of the masculine gender pronoun is correct English here).

    When a pistol has been field stripped, it is impossible to fire for several reasons. Even if a live round is still resident in the barrel, there would be no firing mechanism which could activate it. At least in the pistols of which I am aware. However, when in the process of field stripping a pistol (Glock was mentioned by one responder) such a round could very well be discharged. I know of just such a case when a man who was field stripping his Glock .45ACP inadvertently left a live round in the chamber and when he pulled the trigger as is necessary to release the slide, the round was fired and the bullet caused quite a bit of damage to his left hand.

    Anyway, just a thought.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernBoy View Post
    The question is "Other than Lugers can other semi aute guns fire when field stripped?", not "Other than Lugers can other semi aute guns fire while being field stripped?". In the OP's question, the gun would have already been field stripped which means broken down into its major parts for cleaning. Had he asked "while being field stripped", then the answer for a number of pistols would be yes IF you include the human element and a mistake or mistakes made on his part (yes, the use of the masculine gender pronoun is correct English here).

    When a pistol has been field stripped, it is impossible to fire for several reasons. Even if a live round is still resident in the barrel, there would be no firing mechanism which could activate it. At least in the pistols of which I am aware. However, when in the process of field stripping a pistol (Glock was mentioned by one responder) such a round could very well be discharged. I know of just such a case when a man who was field stripping his Glock .45ACP inadvertently left a live round in the chamber and when he pulled the trigger as is necessary to release the slide, the round was fired and the bullet caused quite a bit of damage to his left hand.

    Anyway, just a thought.
    Thanks for clarifying the OP's question SouthernBoy. It didn't dawn on me that it was a typo. I guess it was too early in the morning for me.

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    James;
    The classic example is Japan's military-issue Type 94, 8mm pistol.
    It can be fired at any time by pressing on its longitudinal, fully exposed, trigger-to-sear transfer bar, without touching its trigger or its safety.
    Thus, whether fully assembled or partly disassembled, it can be made to discharge at will or accidentally.

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