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    Acceptable accuracy

    Ok I reading allot of people saying that their handguns are accurate. Some of which I would disagree on. Maybe my standards are a bit too high. What group size do you think is accurate at 7 yards and 25 yards, excluding the highly customizable 1911? I personally think anything larger than a 2" group at 7 yards and 6" group at 25 yards in personally for me inaccurate. I'm talking about the accuracy of the gun not the shooter.

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    This should be in the general forum,not gunsmithing but.........

    If a gun is shooting those groups,something is wrong.Most guns are more accurate than the average shooter.At 7yds it should shoot one hole and at 25yds 2" +/- shouldn't be unreasonable.Then again we're talking mass production and tolerance stacking,so considering that my idea doesn't always hold up.Then you have inherent accuracy of the ammo being used.If you want to see some serious accuracy check out Joe Chambers' 1911s,under 1" at 50yds.

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    +1 Agreed ^

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1911fan View Post
    Ok I reading allot of people saying that their handguns are accurate. Some of which I would disagree on. Maybe my standards are a bit too high. What group size do you think is accurate at 7 yards and 25 yards, excluding the highly customizable 1911? I personally think anything larger than a 2" group at 7 yards and 6" group at 25 yards in personally for me inaccurate. I'm talking about the accuracy of the gun not the shooter.
    Virtually any quality handgun is going to have inherent accuracy far better than the groups you deem as acceptable. Try maybe 1/4" at 7 yards, for example. Now when you introduce the shooter into the mix, you have what is called... practical accuracy which is the shooter/firearm combination. With this, things do open up a bit. I would say that 2" or less at 7 yards fired free hand is about where you want to be. I know I can do less that that at the 7 yard mark.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VAMarine View Post
    If this isn't a portal to internet chest thumping I don't know what is...
    Quite possible, indeed. One thing I did fail to mention is this. What someone does on a range is very likely going to be far different that what they will probably do should the time ever come when they need to call upon that sidearm. Training is mandatory if you are to have any hope of mastering that tool, but it is no guarantee that you are going to be able to deliver 2" groups at 7 yards to a living, moving target.

    I agree with you. A measure of humility is needed with this one.

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    In real life... more holes, spread out, makes bad guy bleed out faster and causes more tissue trauma... stopping the threat quicker.

    Something to think about when your deciding on your type of training... especially with ammo being so scarce. Should you concentrate all shots in one hole while taking your time in a relaxed enviorment... or an acceptable center mass group from the holster as fast as you can (safely). Groups will not be as tight, but unless you plan on competing as a marksman... who cares.

    Which one is gonna save you & your loved ones in a deadly force encounter.

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    Is this the place where I'm supposed to go on, and on, and on, about my one-hole groups, shot offhand, at 50 yards with my pocket .45 ACP?

    OK—consider it done.

    ...And I'll tell you all about tonight's dream, tomorrow morning.


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    Haha,this is getting funny.

    TNR does have a good point I haven't heard someone say in a long time,more holes equals more damage and blood loss.Dumping one in the same hole basically eliminates hydroststic shock and subsequent tissue damage.Good call man.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TAPnRACK View Post
    In real life... more holes, spread out, makes bad guy bleed out faster and causes more tissue trauma... stopping the threat quicker.

    Something to think about when your deciding on your type of training... especially with ammo being so scarce. Should you concentrate all shots in one hole while taking your time in a relaxed enviorment... or an acceptable center mass group from the holster as fast as you can (safely). Groups will not be as tight, but unless you plan on competing as a marksman... who cares.

    Which one is gonna save you & your loved ones in a deadly force encounter.
    I'm gonna bet that the holes you are fortunate enough to create in your adversary in the heat of an extreme encounter are going to be all over his body and not in one or two tidy little holes.

    BTW, your point is well made and well taken.

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