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    Quote Originally Posted by scooter View Post
    I love this thread FN football is more important than human lives
    Never said that , but the players had rules to follow and they failed to do so and got punished by the rules. You and everyone else have rules in life to obey. Not learning to obey rules can get you DEAD in a hurry. Now I am much more concerned about youth learning that following the rules in life is much more important than doing what ever you want when ever you want. As for the blood donation they gave it could have been used many different ways or thrown out because it expires.

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    Well, I Must say that giving blood is a hell of a lot better excuse than all the other stuff they could have been doing. But, they could have given blood many other times.

    I do think the initial response of being thrown off the team was excessive. But, I can see other punishments...

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    Shipwreck how many times have you seen or heard of bad tings happening because some one didn't follow the rules they were to follow? When you lessen a punishment you teach that these rules aren't really that important.
    In May of 1999 I took my youngest daughter to the viewing for a girl that she had been friends with for 4 years, she didn't thing that skipping school to go swimming with her friends would hurt anything. She fell 60' over a waterfall and died. Teaching the rules are there for a reason and to be obeyed is the job of parents,teachers,coaches,preachers,ect.

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    There are different scenarious. I for one do not believe in these zero tolerance policies, however. I think each situation should be looked at upon the facts.

    A girl with a tylenol in her purse is not the same as someone w/ crack. To deal with it the same is ridiculous. How many stories have we all seen in the news where the school's position is just ludicrous.

    I stand by my prev post. I think there should have been some consequences. And I think they could have given blood some other time. But its not the same as some kid who cut practice just to do it.

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    Yes there are differences scool is required sports is not. They said they we are committed to practice and play by your rules and they did not. The coach or school made the rules and I don't think that the rules changed mid season so they knew the rules. They chose to break the rules. Now they cry because they are being punished by the rules. I for 1 think the coach did the right thing by enforcing the rules as they were stated and not making exceptions just because of ..... yes it is a hard lesson but maybe just maybe they will learn from thier mistakes and grow into mature adults.

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    I personally believe that what we need to teach kids is when to break the rules and when not to. If we never give the kids a chance to make their own choices then they will never know how. Then what happens when they grow up and the rules are not there anymore? Now what these kids will learn is that football and sports are more important than making a difference in people’s lives. So when they grow up they will have the attitude that no matter what the need someone has they can’t help them because there are too busy. Yea maybe there was another time they could have donated blood or maybe there was not we don’t have that info.

    Maybe it’s just me but I truly believe that the only impact we have in this world is what we do for others. If all I worry about is me then when I am dead and gone nothing I will have done will matter. However by helping others you can make a difference in people’s lives for generations. If a coach or a boss has a problem with that oh well there are other jobs and other sports. And yes I would "wine" to the press or whoever else will listen because by don’t that it may not change the coach’s mind but it may change the opinion of the people hearing the story and then maybe they will be inspired to help others to.

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    How many people responding here played high school ball? I know that we rules that we had to abide by such as coming to every practice. However, I do believe that if any of us had asked to go to a blood drive we would have been allowed and even encouraged to go. We wouldn't have been kicked of the team for going to such an event, but I can guarantee you that we would have run laps or gassers to make up for missing or being late for practice.

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    There is proper times and proper ways of doing things. No I do not believe that all rules are to be blindly followed, but when you decide to break the rules then you decide to accept the punishment at the same time. Martin Luther King jr. was the best example he would protest the laws and go to jail for it. He knew what would happen and was willing to pay the price, and accepted he would. That is where I stand on this, when you know the rules you either obey the rules or accept the price of not obeying the rules.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tony pasley View Post
    There is proper times and proper ways of doing things. No I do not believe that all rules are to be blindly followed, but when you decide to break the rules then you decide to accept the punishment at the same time. Martin Luther King jr. was the best example he would protest the laws and go to jail for it. He knew what would happen and was willing to pay the price, and accepted he would. That is where I stand on this, when you know the rules you either obey the rules or accept the price of not obeying the rules.
    Cassius Clay did that too.

    I thought he was wrong but he stepped up and paid the price for his choice.
    I have the utmost respect for the man today because of that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. P View Post
    Cassius Clay did that too.

    I thought he was wrong but he stepped up and paid the price for his choice.
    I have the utmost respect for the man today because of that.
    I fully agree, I respect anyone who accepts the price of thier actions. I cannot, nor will not abide anyone who cries, whines or runs away.

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