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    Mandatory voting? Obama says it would be 'transformative'

    Does anyone still believe Obama is not trying to take our guns, our liberties, our way of life? This man, and those who think like him, should be public enemy #1.

    Mandatory voting? Obama says it would be 'transformative'

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    Quote Originally Posted by GCBHM View Post
    Does anyone still believe Obama is not trying to take our guns, our liberties, our way of life? This man, and those who think like him, should be public enemy #1.

    Mandatory voting? Obama says it would be 'transformative'


    One meaning of 'reactionary' is a person who reacts strongly to 'threats of change'. I think Obama believes compulsory voting to be a good democratic (note the lowercase 'd') idea, without looking around at the world and seeing that the notion has nothing to do with democracy. It should be obvious that compulsory voting isn't the answer to getting quality into government. Getting those that do vote to practice due diligence, that's the answer; legislation ain't going to get that done.
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    I don't think Obama or his ilk are concerned with "quality" of government. They just want control. That is the quality they want.

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    While I like the idea that everyone should vote, I think making it mandatory may be a bit too much. How 'bout "If you don't vote you pay more taxes?"

    Honestly, those that don't vote are the ones who usually bitch the most. If you voted, you know you tried.
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    Well, I'm wondering how Mandatory Voting would be dealt with considering that the people do not elect the president, the Electoral College elects the president. Now I'm not completely well informed in this area however, I believe that whoever wins the most votes in the state, that state's electoral college delegates who are pledged to a particular presidential candidate are the only electoral college votes which are counted in the final result, so if you have 51% of the population voting for a Democrat and 49% voting for a Republcan, the electors pledged to the Democrat candidate are the only electoral college votes counted. I believe that can result in a big majority of the final electoral vote going one way or the other, rather than maybe only a slight majority of the popular vote deciding who becomes president. NOt sure I remember correct but I seem to recall this is how it currently works. What' I'd like to know in his proposal is whether or not it would eliminate the electoral college process. If it did, I'd be in favor of it because it would definitely end up being majority rule. I don't think majority rules now, imo. What I'm getting at is that I believe that there is a true "silent majority" out there that does not like what is going on in this country but feels powerless to change it. Majority rule could make many changes, imo.

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    I have voted all my life once I was able to, except for this last election. I supported neither candidate, and I refuse to be made to vote for some idiot the party puts up. There is no way this would ever pass the amendment process, but the fact that he even said it out loud is more telling than anything. That mindset is the real danger to this society. It completely goes against everything we were founded on. Liberty.
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    The results of the last election showed BHO that his vote buying tactics of amnesty, food stamps for all, no voter ID etc. etc. aren't enough to get "his" base off of their

    asses long enough to vote.

    This compulsory voting law would be impossible to pass. I doubt it would be enough to get people off their lazy asses anyway.

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    Re the Electoral College - it was created by the Founders as a States' Rights hedge. So... it's a Conservative, right wing thing.
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    Better bet would be to make Voting Day a national holiday - mandatory at least a half-day no matter WHAT your job is. That way, anyone that WANTS to vote, can do so.

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    This man, and those who think like him, should be public enemy #1.
    Hooooh Hooh….. slow down.
    Did you forget that the voters and that means the citizens of the United States of America voted this prank into office?

    So I would say, how can the majority of citizens that voted (sure not they who stayed home) be the enemy of themselves. Don’t forget that this prank has here right in this forum disciples enough. They don’t like was he stands for and speaks, but they love him very much. I say that if he could manage somehow to run for president a next term again, the people would vote for him again regardless what he stands for, speaks and if he takes their weapons away or even if Hillary runs. That is like a religion and that can’t be possible be explained.

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    I'm sure some of you are familiar with Watter's World on FOX News, and the type of people that are interviewed.

    Do we really want mandatory voting?
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    Quote Originally Posted by paratrooper View Post
    I'm sure some of you are familiar with Watter's World on FOX News, and the type of people that are interviewed.

    Do we really want mandatory voting?
    in light of those interviewees, no, definitely no.

    However, in light of that possibility, mandatory voting based on the results of a mandatory IQ test. Score in the retard level, you got no say in anything because likely you are already a ward of the state. And also mandatory sterilization if you score below a certain level on the mandatory IQ test, so that you can not pass on those defective genes and perpetuate generational government dependence. The prospect of mandatory sterilization might make everyone truly try to do the best they could on the IQ test. So if they want to play the system, I don't care if they want to go out and sleep with a different baby mama every night of the year, if they're sterile, I'm not having to pay for the consequences of their behavior.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PT111Pro View Post
    Hooooh Hooh….. slow down.
    Did you forget that the voters and that means the citizens of the United States of America voted this prank into office?

    So I would say, how can the majority of citizens that voted (sure not they who stayed home) be the enemy of themselves. Don’t forget that this prank has here right in this forum disciples enough. They don’t like was he stands for and speaks, but they love him very much. I say that if he could manage somehow to run for president a next term again, the people would vote for him again regardless what he stands for, speaks and if he takes their weapons away or even if Hillary runs. That is like a religion and that can’t be possible be explained.
    Not having come from this country I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. The average voter here is totally ignorant of the real issues before this country. Most voters do so out of a perceived civic duty thinking that they have to do their part and vote for the lesser of two evils. They really have no clue who they are voting for, and truthfully, aren't really voting for anyone. Rather, they are voting against the other guy in a lot of cases. No one wanted Mitt Romney as president, but aside from that, less than half this country actually participates in the election process, and for good reason. The machine makes sure the two candidates running will still do its bidding, and in case you have not noticed, the political class really has but one agenda, which is to stay in control.

    All this other stuff is merely fodder to distract the people from the fact that it really doesn't matter who is elected president. Both candidates are approved by the machine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GCBHM View Post
    The average voter here is totally ignorant of the real issues before this country. The machine makes sure the two candidates running will still do its bidding, and in case you have not noticed, the political class really has but one agenda, which is to stay in control.

    All this other stuff is merely fodder to distract the people from the fact that it really doesn't matter who is elected president. Both candidates are approved by the machine.
    Which is what the political process is all about, staying in control. Not about helping anyone or anything other than themselves. Which is why you will never see term limits imposed on Congress or accepted by Congress.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RK3369 View Post
    Which is what the political process is all about, staying in control. Not about helping anyone or anything other than themselves. Which is why you will never see term limits imposed on Congress or accepted by Congress.
    Exactly! Which is also why they are constantly floating removing term limits for the potus also. Ever notice how it always comes up, though, when a Democrat is in office?

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    I figure term limits -along with some other 'democratization of the residual benefits of office' - are a good thing. However, where are the new candidates going to come from? The same political machinery, of course. This is why removing most of the in-office and after-office perks won't improve the quality of the office holders. They will just become lower level weenies than before. We'd save some federal money, that's about it. I'm thinking we actually would be better off if the office holders were selected randomly by computer from voter grand lists. Well, maybe a wider net than that. The people we need in office would try to avoid those lists.

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    Hillman:
    Getting those that do vote to practice due diligence, that's the answer; legislation ain't going to get that done.
    By Jove, you've got it! I've got another idea, how 'bout only allowing those that pay taxes to vote? Can you imagine working for somebody and being allowed to vote for your own benefits and salary? How long will that company stay in business? Why should government be any different? Oh, that's right government is a monopoly that will never go out of business. Taxpayers are an ATM, an endless resource of money and a bottomless pit. Voters that have no skin in the game elect politicians who are willing to give them more at everyone else's expense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by desertman View Post
    Hillman:

    By Jove, you've got it! I've got another idea, how 'bout only allowing those that pay taxes to vote? Can you imagine working for somebody and being allowed to vote for your own benefits and salary? How long will that company stay in business? Why should government be any different? Oh, that's right government is a monopoly that will never go out of business. Taxpayers are an ATM, an endless resource of money and a bottomless pit. Voters that have no skin in the game elect politicians who are willing to give them more at everyone else's expense.
    Excellent idea! Of cousre those who stand to gain from a big central government are going to vote for it to sustain itself. Of course they will vote for higher taxes b/c they don't pay taxes, or much tax. Of course the illegals want a vote...of course, of course!

    But move to change the system so that only those who pay taxes get a vote, and boy watch out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by desertman View Post
    Hillman:

    By Jove, you've got it! I've got another idea, how 'bout only allowing those that pay taxes to vote? <snip!>
    That only works if the companies that have moved to tax-havens are not allowed to contribute to either party .... Levels the playing field to only those with skin in the game. No taxes paid in the US, no input to the elections.

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    Didn't Idi Amin espouse mandatory voting, didn't Castro, and Saddam hold required sham elections. Doesn't the "fine" gentleman leading North Korea hold periodic mandatory elections?

    Hmmm, mandatory voting - what a novel idea....
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