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    There's simply no hope left.......

    .......for this country of ours. All common sense and logic have taken a leave of absence. Sad thing is, once it's gone, it's all but impossible to get it back.


    https://gma.yahoo.com/people-walk-sc...opstories.html



    And then, we have dumb-ass police officers like this:

    Two-phone standoff after cop stops man for 'walking with hands in pockets' - CNET



    I give up......what the Hell is going on with people?

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    Quote Originally Posted by paratrooper View Post
    <snippage!>

    I give up......what the Hell is going on with people?
    Nothing - it was a slow news day, so reports of a walker and a cop high-fiving each other after a stupid call-in were near the top of the pile of stories.

    As for the other, fully 50% of the country feels there should have been an indictment, as there are still a shed-load of questions they feel are unanswered. I'm done commenting on the questions, just stating peoples' feelings about it. They feel an indictment would have meant a trial, and then the questions could have been asked, etc., etc., etc.

    But basically, slow news day explains it.

    Nothing to see -
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    I heard a point counter point between a conservative and a liberal on Ferguson. They both happened to be black. The conservative asked why there isn't outrage about 17 black men being killed each day in America. (her statistics not mine) The liberal replied that that was a whole separate matter and that she shouldn't confuse the issue. My opinion is that it is exactly the same issue and that issue is that many of these people have not had the benefit of being raised by a two parent family. They were raised by some thugs "Baby Mama" and the governments broken schools and crazy welfare system. Sorry for the rant. I am off my soap box until further notice.
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    Everyday there are honest hard working people who live, work hard and contribute to society. They go by seemingly unnoticed because it dose not make a good news story.
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    Quote Originally Posted by goldwing View Post
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    ... that many of these people have not had the benefit of being raised by a two parent family.
    <snip a little more>
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    Holy Way to Generalise, Batman!

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    I think the proper term is stereotype. Mia culpa, mia culpa. grande mia culpa!
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    Quote Originally Posted by goldwing View Post
    I think the proper term is stereotype. Mia culpa, mia culpa. grande mia culpa!
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    "Stereotype" - THAT's the word I was so desperately groping for. Thanks!

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    Stereotype or common threads? It is not a race problem it is a society problem because the I am entitled to what ever I want mentality that has become common today. The only thing any one is entitled to is the time they live and the place they die.

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    There is absolutely nothing wrong with stereotyping.
    It's merely a classification and protective device that our brains use to keep us from harm.

    The problem appears only when one begins to apply stereotyping inappropriately.

    Inappropriate Use #1:
    "Holy moley—there's a Black guy walking back and forth on the sidewalk, with his hands in his pockets! Our business was burglarized, a few days ago. So maybe this Black guy was one of the burglars. And his hands are in his pockets 'cause he's got a gun! Call the cops!"
    Inappropriate Use #2:
    "The White police killed Michael Brown, so that means that Black lives don't matter in the US, and all White cops are killers."

    The Proper Use of Stereotyping #1:
    "Hmmm... There's a rattlesnake. I guess I'd better keep an eye on him, and walk carefully around his position. They tend to strike with little warning."
    The Proper Use of Stereotyping #2:
    "Oh, oh... That cop is asking me to walk over and talk to him. I guess I'd better be polite, as long as he is too. I know I've done nothing wrong."
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    Quote Originally Posted by SailDesign View Post

    As for the other, fully 50% of the country feels there should have been an indictment, as there are still a shed-load of questions they feel are unanswered. I'm done commenting on the questions, just stating peoples' feelings about it.
    Is the 50% figure yours or the medias?

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    Paratrooper it sure looks like the country is going "wacko".......

    The article is about both video taping each other. What is really wacko is that people feel nervous because someone is walking around with their hands in their pockets... This is compounded by law enforcement responding to such a moronic call......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve M1911A1 View Post
    There is absolutely nothing wrong with stereotyping.
    It's merely a classification and protective device that our brains use to keep us from harm.
    THIS!

    This is just another word for profiling in this context and there is absolutely nothing wrong with it. We profile all the time. Hell even animals do it and though their actions are overwhelmingly instinctive, ours to a fairly large degree are instinctive as well. We profile for many reasons under many conditions and as Steve has pointed out, it is a protective measure.

    And then we have the racist AG Holder in Atlanta yesterday saying how his DOJ was going to put into place plans and procedures to end police racial profiling, "once and for all". Good luck and just watch how this is going to work. The man is not only racist, but clueless as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cait43 View Post
    Paratrooper it sure looks like the country is going "wacko".......

    The article is about both video taping each other. What is really wacko is that people feel nervous because someone is walking around with their hands in their pockets... This is compounded by law enforcement responding to such a moronic call......
    As for the stop for a man who was walking along with his hands in his pockets unless that officer had RAS and could articulate such (the A in RAS), the stop was consensual and the man had no cause to even converse with the officer. His first question should have been, "Why are you detaining me, officer?". This suggests a reason is required and unless there is RAS, there is no reason so the man could have wished the officer a 'good day' and gone on about his business.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cait43 View Post
    Is the 50% figure yours or the medias?
    Mine - fully 86% of internet statistics are made up on the spot, y'know.

    It is based (loosely) on the number of my RealLife friends who have reacted to this issue. Half thing it's just fine, and the other half think questions need to be asked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SailDesign View Post
    Mine - fully 86% of internet statistics are made up on the spot, y'know.
    I agree with you 14%
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    Quote Originally Posted by SailDesign View Post
    As for the other, fully 50% of the country feels there should have been an indictment, as there are still a shed-load of questions they feel are unanswered. I'm done commenting on the questions, just stating peoples' feelings about it. They feel an indictment would have meant a trial, and then the questions could have been asked, etc., etc., etc.

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    well, I guess that 50% does not believe in our system of jurisprudence. A Grand Jury reviewed the facts, considered charges, and decided there was no basis for even the lowest level charge. That's how our system works. What the 50% wanted, I feel, is a mob trial based on sensationalist media, etc. Remember one of Michael Browns friends testified that Brown was standing there with his hands raised in the sign of surrender when he was shot. Well, the reports from other the Grant Jury testimony basically refuted that testimony. They agreed with the statements to the effect that Brown was charging back at the officer when the fatal shots were fired. Guess the cop fired in self defense, particularly after he had already been beaten up and had his gun tried to be stolen in his car by the thug. But if 50% of the public can't accept that decision, then I guess we need to revert to frontier justice, everybody carry a gun on their hip, defend yourself and if the mob doesn't like what you did, then we'll see you on the gallows tomorrow at sunrise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RK3369 View Post
    well, I guess that 50% does not believe in our system of jurisprudence. A Grand Jury reviewed the facts, considered charges, and decided there was no basis for even the lowest level charge. That's how our system works. What the 50% wanted, I feel, is a mob trial based on sensationalist media, etc. Remember one of Michael Browns friends testified that Brown was standing there with his hands raised in the sign of surrender when he was shot. Well, the reports from other the Grant Jury testimony basically refuted that testimony. They agreed with the statements to the effect that Brown was charging back at the officer when the fatal shots were fired. Guess the cop fired in self defense, particularly after he had already been beaten up and had his gun tried to be stolen in his car by the thug. But if 50% of the public can't accept that decision, then I guess we need to revert to frontier justice, everybody carry a gun on their hip, defend yourself and if the mob doesn't like what you did, then we'll see you on the gallows tomorrow at sunrise.
    The general feeling here (liberal state, blah, blah, blah) is that the Police and the Prosecutor's office work very closely, and know each other well, to the point where collusion is perfectly possible. An indictment could have been made in order to have a trial and get things out in the open so the doubting public could see the process.

    I'm not doubting their decision here, merely stating that the protesters would have nothing to protest about if things had been done differently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RK3369 View Post
    well, I guess that 50% does not believe in our system of jurisprudence. A Grand Jury reviewed the facts, considered charges, and decided there was no basis for even the lowest level charge. That's how our system works. What the 50% wanted, I feel, is a mob trial based on sensationalist media, etc. Remember one of Michael Browns friends testified that Brown was standing there with his hands raised in the sign of surrender when he was shot. Well, the reports from other the Grant Jury testimony basically refuted that testimony. They agreed with the statements to the effect that Brown was charging back at the officer when the fatal shots were fired. Guess the cop fired in self defense, particularly after he had already been beaten up and had his gun tried to be stolen in his car by the thug. But if 50% of the public can't accept that decision, then I guess we need to revert to frontier justice, everybody carry a gun on their hip, defend yourself and if the mob doesn't like what you did, then we'll see you on the gallows tomorrow at sunrise.
    RK, 50% of the population WON'T accept the decision, no matter what. They feel that Officer Wilson is a cold blooded murderer for shooting a 6'4" 300#+ thug who beat on him and tried to disarm and kill him. They want a trial, yes. But even then, unless a guilty of 1st degree murder verdict was reached...you'd see more of the same riots/looting we saw last time. Thanks to Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson (mostly Sharpton) stirring the pot of racism. And of the 50% of the population figure you used, 99% of that 50% are black. O'bummer should not be so cozy with Al Sharpton, He owes over 4 million dollars to the IRS. If any of us owed the IRS that much moola, we'd be in a Federal Prison somewhere sharing a cell with Mr. Kung-foo Snipes. That's the way I see it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by goldwing View Post
    I think the proper term is stereotype. Mia culpa, mia culpa. grande mia culpa!
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    Stereotyping is pretty much human nature.... However no one can really deny that stereotyping is based partly on truth/facts..... Case in point, mother-in-laws........
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    Quote Originally Posted by RK3369 View Post
    well, I guess that 50% does not believe in our system of jurisprudence. .
    I think most of this bunch only believe in mob law. (no offense the the Italian Mob intended)

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