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    i wanted to add one more thing: Ship you should change it from suicidal kid to drunk kid....lots of drunk people say "I'm gonna kill my self" they hardly ever mean it...I've seen it happen plenty of times...my friend Chad who is hardly suicidal....drank a 5th of Jack Daniels and said I don't wont to live anymore...then took a steak knife and started cutting up his arms...like 20 times...I said "You Pussy cut a little deeper than that if you wanna bleed out!" I was drunk to by the way...but still...he was not really suicidal...I doubt this kid was either. His mom maybe...she called the death squad over.

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    I disagree - U have no idea of knowing os what state he really was in. There are a lot of people who do get suicidal - most that get to that level have severe pysch problems. I have had probationers with psych problems flip out and try to kill others and then themselves.

    Sometimes, the public will criticize police action and say "he only had a knife." A knife wound can do more damage than a bullet, depending on where U are cut. U do not want to get into a tussle w/ a guy w/ a kife unless U have no choice and are fighting for your life.

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    thats crap you don't bring a knife to a gun fight...multiple guns in this case...I would take a guy with a knife over a guy with a gun...granted i have been trained how disable a knife wielding madman...cops should be too! its really not that hard. your cant stop a bullet on the other hand. these cops were wrong no matter what...he did not run at them with the knife they had no RIGHT to shoot him. I hope they are all fired and hopefully do prison time. The real victim besides the dead kid are his family. I'm not gonna say anymore on the subject cause it's making me really mad.

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    Go talk to a doctor - a knife would can be a lot more serious than a gunshot wound. The wound size is larger and there is more collateral damage. Too much hollywood movies stuff makes people think otherwise.

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    In Japan, the rule there is that one cannot harm a drunken person. One may slap them or subdue them, that's about it. At least it was that way some twenty years ago. I doubt much has changed.

    Like I said way earlier, it seems to me that 4 or 5 cops could have easily subdued the kid and taken away the knife. I just can't fathom just why they would have felt compelled to use deadly force. When I did the LEO gig, (reserve police), I used my Judo training moreso than my weapon.

    I also said that it's easy to armchair quarterback any situation. I have to wonder whether or not the media is reporting the whole story or just one side.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thor View Post
    In Japan, the rule there is that one cannot harm a drunken person. One may slap them or subdue them, that's about it. At least it was that way some twenty years ago. I doubt much has changed.

    Like I said way earlier, it seems to me that 4 or 5 cops could have easily subdued the kid and taken away the knife. I just can't fathom just why they would have felt compelled to use deadly force. When I did the LEO gig, (reserve police), I used my Judo training moreso than my weapon.

    I also said that it's easy to armchair quarterback any situation. I have to wonder whether or not the media is reporting the whole story or just one side.
    The media report the WHOLE story?

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    They must have changed most of what is taught in the police academies since my time....When I was sworn in it was TOTALLY UNDERSTOOD that the job I was undertaking meant PUTTING MY LIFE ON THE LINE FOR OTHERS,now I didnt run out and try to stop bullets(or knives) with my bare hairless(1/2 cherokee) chest but neither did I just shoot somebody dead just to say I had or to "be the one who gets to go home" that night.I swore to PROTECT AND SERVE, NOT abuse authority and use excessive force in a situation where it was NOT NEEDED.2 or more officers had NO,I MEAN NO reason to kill a kid with a knife ,they could have and should have taken him by other than lethal force.Too much of this crap is excused away to where it is somehow acceptable today and thats just the beginning of the USGP(United States Gestapo police).
    I guess its obvious why Im no longer a LEO.I would probably be dead or in prison for what I would like to do to these "brave officers"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shipwreck View Post
    Go talk to a doctor - a knife would can be a lot more serious than a gunshot wound. The wound size is larger and there is more collateral damage. Too much hollywood movies stuff makes people think otherwise.

    Im not saying a knife cannot do more damage...it can. I'm saying I would rather take on a guy with a knife than a gun. But thats me.

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