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    robertcseg is offline Junior Member
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    Not a problem in SC. but we don't much bother anyone who is not bothering us.

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    I don't generally advertise my gun ownership, since the element of surprise is part of the cc thing. Also, I've heard too many stories about local police hasseling gun owners. Just because it's my right doesn't mean they can't detain me for three hours.

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    I will apologize in advance for this comment. It is not my intention to try and convince anybody of anything, but I will put out my opinion on the NRA. I am not anti-NRA, and I am a member, but I don't like the current leadership.

    The NRA has lost its way. It is supposed to be supporting gun owners with training, sporting events, range designs, liability insurance, legal support on major court cases, gun safety and helping manufacturers to keep weapons reliable and with maximum safety in addition to protecting our gun rights. The NRA range at HQ is overcrowded and insufficient. There is no separate handgun and long gun and shotguns must only use slugs. There is no NRA shotgun facility. The NRA should help to create state of the art ranges and virtual ranges and active training academies at the local level. Gander Mountain has better facilities than the NRA...that's not right.

    They use all our membership money for political advocacy at the national level. The truth is most of the political work needs to be done at the State and County levels where laws and regulations are enacted that create restrictions on gun owners that the national government has nothing to say about. I am not saying they shouldn't be working on national politics, but defeating Obama should not be the prime goal of the NRA....and it looks like it to me.

    The prime goal of the NRA needs to be taking care of its MEMBERS through gun-related programs and lobbying States to rollback gun restrictions while supporting safety programs.

    The NRA liability insurance and gun insurance and discount programs are good things that need to be improved as well.

    LaPierre has it out for Obama and he can spend his own money if that's his thing...not ours.

    The only time people give me grief is when NRA advocacy seems to have nothing to do with guns and when their Public Relations tactics stretch the truth. To be taken seriously they have to make credible statements and quoting the 2nd Amendment doesn't win anybody over. They need credible responses to issues.

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    No one gives me grief, I don't advertise who I support and who I don't, except CZ firearms, I wear there swag when I shoot. However, if the NRA is out to defeat Obama and run him out of town then good on them. It certianly doesn't even the score with all the groups and news and media outlets hell bent on keeping the goofball in office.

    I am not in a position to tell any orginization what their prime goal needs to be. Why should the NRA have any of the things described as what they should have. Do they promise it in their mission statement? Wanting something doesn't mean a group should provide it for you, nor does it make it not right.

    On a seperate note......I belong to a few orginizations, well maybe not adctual orginizations, that TEDtheHellBEAR belongs too and I consider his participation an endorsement.

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    The only organization I would advertise for whould have to be The Oathkeepers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by recoilguy View Post
    .....On a seperate note......I belong to a few orginizations, well maybe not adctual orginizations, that TEDtheHellBEAR belongs too and I consider his participation an endorsement....
    i am honored, seriously.

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    Directly from the NRA website: "While widely recognized today as a major political force and as America's foremost defender of Second Amendment rights, the NRA has, since its inception, been the premier firearms education organization in the world." Most of the history of the NRA is to support training, safety, marksmanship, and hold matches and events. The focus on political lobbying is a recent development mostly happening after Charleton Heston resigned.

    As a paying member, I certainly have the right (and obligation) to criticize the leadership if I am not getting the gun-related programs the NRA is supposed to be doing. Organizations are organizations of people, and this case citizen-members. I am not the only one who has been critical of NRA leadership. There have been many within the organization and governing board who have been openly critical and attempted to remove LaPierre.

    If I want to have Obama removed from office, I have plenty of political organizations working to do that. Defeating Obama is not going to help make progress on gun rights....that needs to be done at the State and Local level. And, while they are distracted on the election, the primary purpose of the organization is not being sufficiently funded and managed: Training, safety, marksmanship, and a focus on States with unreasonable gun laws, etc.
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    I've never claimed the NRA to be faultless. I can't think of any organization that is. That being said, the NRA's upper management is not gonna teach classes. I've taught NRA classes for many years. Classes that are focused on safety, marksmanship, personal protection, gun laws, and how to affect those gun laws. The NRA has a multitude of instructional devices at my disposal, but they will NOT come teach the class for me. They provide training syllabus, range drills, safety/marksmanship pamphlets, marksmanship manuals, DVD's, and many other tools, in shooting-related subjects for toddlers, to geriatrics.

    But.... if the instructors in the field don't USE the material provided by the NRA, should the NRA be faulted for that? I think the fault lies with those who portray themselves to be instructors, and simply pass out literature, sign a card, and collect their fees. I know the old saying, "those who can't do, teach".... but there lots of good trainers out there, who "CAN do, AND TEACH".

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    Quit making sense now it's not good for those who want the NRA weakened.

    The NRA focuses very adequetley, but not exclusively, on the things Cclax mentioned and I see no where in any NRA document that they will limit exclusively to any thing. Again he has the right to express his critisism I just thought he was trying to impose his will. When he said the NRA should do the things he want done and not the things he didn't as a memeber. I am not sure but if he is recruiting members for his lets get rid of Wayne campain, I say good luck here man.
    I also agree with usmcj if you are not getting what you want it is not the leaderships fault it may be your local branch or even your fault for not stepping up and offering to use the tools available and to help others. I know my club uses the NRA to teach many classes on saftey, marksmanship, gunhandling and knowlege, and help get women into shooting and gun ownership. The NRA doesn't do it ,it supports and supplies tools to our club to make it happen. We do not wait for someone else to do it for us, we do it ourselves and use their guidelines and material. My pet peeve is when materials are available and timely and others still want someone else to give it to them too. It only takes a little effort to result in a lot of pride! I am not happy with everything the NRA does but I am not going to openly bash the orginization especially to or around others who would love nothing more then to see me unarmed. Like Mr. B Hussien Obama and his band of socialistic minions.

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    Who cares what others think? I belong to the NRA because, even with it's problems and weaknesses, it's still one of the few org's that help gun owners and the second ammendment. There is NO SUCH THING as a perfect anything! The NRA is no different. You take the best of what is available at the time. Regarding the sticker, I have been in many discussions with close minded folks who hate guns and the constitution and when rational debate fails I just tell them I feel sorry for them and to go pound sand.

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