Thread: Our Constitutional protections are gone...Please Read

not if i shoot them before they arrest me...

Originally Posted by Gunners_Mate

not if i shoot them before they arrest me...

Good luck with that one....have you seen a swat team in action lately?

hopefully I am too much a small fry for such action and a simple leo or two shall suffice. have you seen any of them in "action" lately? lol

When injustice becomes law Rebellion becomes Duty

From my cold dead hands

it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, etc.

any thread that links to the washington post as a source for information isnt worth debating....

your second amendment rights ensure the posts first amendment rights, not that they care and their freedom of the press doesnt require me to read it.

Originally Posted by cclaxton

The 2nd Amendment doesn't really mean much if we lose our Constitutional protections against warrantless searches, collecting secret evidence, indefinite detention, rendition, and violent interrogation.

Sorry, I'd never read the Washington Post.

I think you are referring to Patriot Act (aka, the USA Providing Appropriate Tools Required [to] Intercept [and] Obstruct Terrorism Act of 2001)?

It's just me but I think the Act is a darn good way to help protect my family from international terrorism. It's not like my local police departments are threatening me (a law-abiding life-long GA citizen).

Terrorists have promised to kill me. My local police shoot with me at the range (and certainly respect my rights and would give their life to protect my family from the bad guys). I know who to trust.

Originally Posted by TedDeBearFrmHell

any thread that links to the washington post as a source for information isnt worth debating....

your second amendment rights ensure the posts first amendment rights, not that they care and their freedom of the press doesnt require me to read it.

2nd That...

Originally Posted by Vintage Racer

Sorry, I'd never read the Washington Post.

I think you are referring to Patriot Act (aka, the USA Providing Appropriate Tools Required [to] Intercept [and] Obstruct Terrorism Act of 2001)?

It's just me but I think the Act is a darn good way to help protect my family from international terrorism. It's not like my local police departments are threatening me (a law-abiding life-long GA citizen).

Terrorists have promised to kill me. My local police shoot with me at the range (and certainly respect my rights and would give their life to protect my family from the bad guys). I know who to trust.

I am with you on trusting LEO/IO/DIA...and while I trust the guys I know, there are tens of thousands of people working in Homeland Security and Defense and Intelligence. They are human and they can be subject to personal agendas and they can be directed to do work for political reasons. The problem is that there is no way to monitor those activities because they are secret and subject to "need to know" information control.

Again I go back to the question about Nixon:

Nixon would have used these powers for partisan political purposes and to manipulate elections. If you look at what Nixon was really doing, he was OBSESSED with winning the next election. He was paranoid about the Democrats and that is why he was willing to authorize the burglarizing of the Democratic HQ and a whole host of other improper and illegal activies: bugging the offices and phones of political opponents, using the FBI and IRS to harrass anti-war activist groups, copying confidential private documents, investigating personal behavior of political aides, writing fraudulent documents, etc. If Nixon had done these today, they would not be illegal and can be kept totally secret.

You can't trust the political hacks or prevent someone with a personal agenda from abusing the power.

As to the Washington Post: They didn't write this article...it was written by a Law Professor and the Washington Post published it. It is not from the editorial page.

Besides, everything he wrote can be factually confirmed.
CC

Originally Posted by cclaxton

The problem is that there is no way to monitor those activities because they are secret and subject to "need to know" information control.

You do love conspiracy theories?

Homeline Security can listen and watch me all they want. I have nothing to hide. I talk about guns and cars. I would put them to sleep (the 1911 is better than a Glock; my car is faster than your car).

Originally Posted by cclaxton

Again I go back to the question about Nixon

Please don't go back to Nixon. He is dead?

Originally Posted by cclaxton

You can't trust the political hacks or prevent someone with a personal agenda from abusing the power.

Yea, just ask Monica. Clinton left a bad taste in her mouth?

Originally Posted by cclaxton

As to the Washington Post: They didn't write this article...it was written by a Law Professor and the Washington Post published it.

A liberal law professor wrote it? And the Post published it? Go figure.

Do you understand why I don't believe a word of it?

Originally Posted by cclaxton

Besides, everything he wrote can be factually confirmed.

I can see that you have special powers. Is this you?


Do you work for Clinton or Obama?

Originally Posted by Vintage Racer

You do love conspiracy theories?

Well, maybe you don't take our constitutional rights seriously, but most Americans certainly do.

The question I have is why are YOU collecting these photos?

My guess is that is really you in the foil hat and that is how you get your news reports.
CC

Well. That went south in a hurry.

I don't know about the Washington Post, but I am wary about the Patriot Act. Anyone that wants me to give up my rights "to keep me safe" is on my very own personal "watch list".

while i may not agree with all the details of the patriot act, nothing about the washington post helps me to sleep better.

and just my opinion here, but i got no problem at all with the US targeting american citizens abroad who are terrorists against america. i do not care if they are killed without due process while aiding and comforting our enemies.

i chose my words, they mean what they say and only what they say.... if you do not like them, i dont care, its not a debate, its a reality. "what ifs" are bullshit scenarios to make you feel better.