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    Judge Blocks Part of AZ Law


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    We are not through.


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    that Judge should be made to live right on the AZ border. Lets see how much she like the illegals then..

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    Good thing -- the law is after all unconstitutional.

    The federal law clearly supersedes and preempts Arizona's rendition, so the courts will eventually void SB 1070 on federalism grounds using the supremacy clause.

    To add to it, there is a huge 14th amendment violation as SB 1070 would both violates the equal protection clause as the law is selective application against a discrete and insular minority group as well as sanctions de facto racial profiling because it compels officers to check status of all those they suspect to be illegal -- Mexican race-- which means it injures all the legal Mexican immigrants and Mexican-American citizens as they are encumbered when other races of legal immigrants and citizens would not be similarly inconvenienced or forced to prove their status in similarly situated places and situations.

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    First off, the law does not tell the cops to go out & grab every mexican. If the cops arrest someone, they are obligated to check out the perp's status, & not until then. People are acting like there is going to be a big round up or something..

    The Mexicans are no longer a "discrete and insular minority group"
    They gave that up when I had to start dialing "1" for english.
    When the Irish start storming the borders I'll worry about them, but for now the problem is coming (mainly) from Mexico.
    Oh, that's right: The Irish come here legally, without swimming the Rio Grande in secret, muling a pound of Cocaine...
    Also, they ARE NOT CITIZENS OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. Therefore, why should OUR constitution protect them, from US?

    When I apply for a job, I must provide ID & my SS card for copying. Why shouldn't the Illegals have to?


    There are way to many illegals taking Our jobs, absorbing Our services & committing crimes on US. What do you propose, just letting them get away with it while our taxes keep going up?

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    The law mirrors federal law and that's all. Then why sign it? Because it gives jurisdiction to any state law enforcement personnel, that's all. Illegals are just that. If they did not drain resources, or commit crimes of all kinds, and did not demand that I recognize them with my taxes, I don't really care. But they do. And in spite of the leftists claims, it specifically cannot be applied unless the individual is suspected of breaking any other law. In other words you cannot be detained for driving while mexican. If you're caught speeding, then you have a problem if you're here illegally.

    I support the idea, as do most here neo. As always I think you'd change your mind if you were personnally victimized, instead of just blindly paying for them.
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    Our country actually benefits economically from Mexican labour, we need immigrants for our economy to work. But our immigration laws are draconian, and take ages for people to navigate, but at the same time we do not enforce our laws, so if your a young Mexican male, with no prospect of work in Mexico, do you wait in line, or hop accross the border?

    What we should do is make it A LOT easier for people to immigrate and then ENFORCE our immigration laws. That way honest Mexican workers can come here and make a better life for themselves, American individuals and businesses can hire cheap labour and we still have functioning border security to keep the drug dealers and terrorist out.

    All I'd ask is that they speak fluent English, and demonstrate an understanding and love of American History, and the classical liberal principles and ideas this country was founded on.

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    Look at this diagram of our immigration laws, seriously just click the link and look at it. It was published by Reason magazine.

    http://zapisnaya.s3.amazonaws.com/pu...essDiagram.jpg

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    cheap laber is a sham..

    Our country actually benefits economically from Mexican labour, we need immigrants for our economy to work. But our immigration laws are draconian, and take ages for people to navigate, but at the same time we do not enforce our laws, so if your a young Mexican male, with no prospect of work in Mexico, do you wait in line, or hop accross the border?


    What we should do is make it A LOT easier for people to immigrate and then ENFORCE our immigration laws. That way honest Mexican workers can come here and make a better life for themselves, American individuals and businesses can hire cheap labour and we still have functioning border security to keep the drug dealers and terrorist out.

    All I'd ask is that they speak fluent English, and demonstrate an understanding and love of American History, and the classical liberal principles and ideas this country was founded on.
    No, we do not benefit from cheap mexican labor. It only enables greedy cheapskate employers to get undocumented people to work for near slave wages. It is a human rights issue from the get go & hurts our economy in the long run. One trip by an Illegal to the emergency can cost $20,000.00 that won't ever get paid back. We pay it back through our taxes & insurance, so where are the savings from the cheap labor then??

    Yes, a young Mexican male should do it right & apply legally. My Great grand parents did, What makes him so special?

    Expecting them to learn English & usa history is a pipe dream. We have to press "1" for English every time that we call anywhere already. Most of them have no interest in ever becoming citizens, because Citizens pay taxes..

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    So if you where in the place of one of those young men, you would go through all o fthe paper work and wait TWENTY YEARS to get a green card, instead of just walking accross the border?

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    hmm...

    Quote Originally Posted by Alaskan_Viking View Post
    So if you where in the place of one of those young men, you would go through all o fthe paper work and wait TWENTY YEARS to get a green card, instead of just walking accross the border?
    I guess we now know what you would do...

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    Their labor is not cheap. It's illegally skewed. They make comparable wages because they:

    Don't pay employer's share of FICA
    Don't pay FICA
    Don't pay Medicare
    Don't pay FWT
    Don't pay State income tax
    Don't pay City Income Tax

    By the time you gross them up they are making close to the same.

    FAIR TAX. That's the answer!

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