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    Thoughts On Non USA Made Guns?

    I guess I may be biased because I work in manufacturing and we compete on price and quality with the same product made in other countries.

    I have looked at some pistols that I liked, but if I had the money at the time I would have had a hard time laying it out because I know my purchase was not feeding a fellow manufacturing worker in my own country. ANyone else give this any thought?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruger71 View Post
    ANyone else give this any thought?
    Yes!! I think about this every time I buy something. Unfortunately, 90% of Americans could care less. I think this will change soon now that the white collar workers are losing their jobs to offshore, low paying sweat shops.

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    And what about the Americans selling the others? Their dinner is not as important? The idea of open markets is you get to see where your money spends the best. But your right to an extent. I'll take a Toyota made in Georgetown Kentucky over a Chevy made in Canada. But that's more about the quality differences between the two. I see some of the old rice burner trucks with 300,000 miles on them and the old S-10 will be in the rust yard before it hits 200,000.

    BTW.I drive a 1999 Cherokee. Bought it used. I have guns made all over the world. But they were the best buy of what I had to choose from at time of purchase. If I could get a S&W weapon as reliable as mi Sig and get it for 500.00 I'd jump at it. But if you lok at the Smith stable and the MSRP on them it isn't going to happen.
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    I prefer to buy US products when I can. I think more would if they were advertised as such. It gets a little fuzzy these days though. Like DJ noted, you can have a US company building a product in Mexico with Chinese parts.

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    I support all Americans by serving in the military. When the decision is to be made concerning which weapon I'm going to buy to use as a tool to protect the lives of my family members, location of manufacture is of no concern. If the weapon I settle on happens to be made in the U.S. I would consider it a bonus, but that fact would carry no weight when trying to select an important tool that has such an important purpose.

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    Another good reason to buy a Smith and Wesson...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruger71 View Post
    I guess I may be biased because I work in manufacturing and we compete on price and quality with the same product made in other countries.

    I have looked at some pistols that I liked, but if I had the money at the time I would have had a hard time laying it out because I know my purchase was not feeding a fellow manufacturing worker in my own country. ANyone else give this any thought?
    It's not easy to buy all American made products anymore. I try to when I can but guns seem to be the most difficult to find American made.

    BTW, what part of MO are you in and what do you manufacture, if you don't mind me asking?

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    The dollar is shrinking daily, ammo and reloading components are going up, and i'm caught in the middle.

    in the end, i tend to buy "used" because that is what i can afford......and buying used does not help anyone in a smith or ruger plant, or china or where-ever.......but that's just the way it is.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by SMann View Post
    I support all Americans by serving in the military. When the decision is to be made concerning which weapon I'm going to buy to use as a tool to protect the lives of my family members, location of manufacture is of no concern. If the weapon I settle on happens to be made in the U.S. I would consider it a bonus, but that fact would carry no weight when trying to select an important tool that has such an important purpose.
    Right. If could find a quality new gun made here in the US that I liked I would buy it.
    Unfortunately the only guns made in the US that I can afford are HiPoint and the Ring of Fire guns. S&W are way out of my budget.
    Which makes me wonder, Why can't a company in the US make a Bersa or CZ quality and looks product at a comparable price.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freedom1911 View Post
    Right. If could find a quality new gun made here in the US that I liked I would buy it.
    Unfortunately the only guns made in the US that I can afford are HiPoint and the Ring of Fire guns. S&W are way out of my budget.
    Which makes me wonder, Why can't a company in the US make a Bersa or CZ quality and looks product at a comparable price.
    Find a factory that will take a pay cut and you might be able to do it. Take some of the teeth out of the UAW and you might be able to build a U.S car that the people cold both afford and will last longer.

    Simple fact is everyone wants to be able to live as good as the people above them on the money scale So they want more money. Americans as a whole have to be able to compete with a global market these days. It's their choice how much they are willing to try. Per unit cost has a lot more to do with U.S. rices than those "Fat CEO's"
    Although it will take everyone taking a hit to the old greed gland to make it happen. I've watched the minimum wage go from 2.85 to 7.25 (Ohio and Kentucky) since I was 18 years old. Yet the working poor that hold the jobs that traditionally pay those lower wages are no further along than they where when I was a kid. In some ways I see them much worse off. I guess we can keep printing money. Sure beats making the dollar actually worth a buck.

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    DevilsJohnson, you must be a little bit younger than me. I remember minimum wage when it was around 3.18 or 3.32 in that range an hour. but yah I know what you mean.
    It is a pity how we in the US ship our scrap metal over seas, thousands of miles, loading and unloading costs in the ship yards, they melt it down to a reusable form and then ship it back for a cheaper price than we can do it here.
    Or how a quality pistol can be totally manufactured over seas about anywhere, and then shipped here and sold with a few extras and tax for less than it takes to buy a replacement barrel and some new grips for some American made gun, that you are paying mostly for the name and some CEOs wages, while the workers that make the gun and get it to the FFL make that minimum wage you were talking about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dosborn View Post
    It's not easy to buy all American made products anymore. I try to when I can but guns seem to be the most difficult to find American made.

    BTW, what part of MO are you in and what do you manufacture, if you don't mind me asking?
    Ain't it the truth, I can't even find American made tooth picks. China or Mexico.

    I know the XD/XDm lines are made in Croatia, but does Springfield make all their 1911s here in the US, I mean are all the parts made here and the pistol assembled here?

    I know some of the Glocks are supposed to be made here now, but I don't know if all the parts are manufactured here.

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    I try to buy USA products, but I also try to buy the highest quality that my money can afford.

    The two objectives are rarely in line with each other.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freedom1911 View Post
    I know some of the Glocks are supposed to be made here now, but I don't know if all the parts are manufactured here.
    I think all the slides are made in Austria, some frames in GA, plus the US import slides get fitted with sights in GA.

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    I'm content with my purchases of non USA made guns, and I'm sure these purchases have helped feed a fellow American at some point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by unpecador View Post
    I'm content with my purchases of non USA made guns, and I'm sure these purchases have helped feed a fellow American at some point.
    Exactly

    @ freedom..I'm 46..When I was 18 I washed dishes in a Greek restaurant for 2.85 and hour. Was really happy to get it too..lol (where I get 36?)
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    Interesting discussions. I agree, if GM and Chrysler products would make 100,000 miles anymore, they wouldn't have went bankrupt. I am very proud of the fact that my company is extremely committed to quality and doing everything we can on our end to keep the cost down. It is a position in that more in the labor force need to be taking, but we need the jobs here so that they have the opportunity.

    Just curious on everyones take. I love the feel of the XD (wish I could shoot one), but it does bother me that they are not made here. This goes for other imports as well. I agree Smiths seem to be overpriced to me. Ruger seems to be more reasonable, but I'm not sure any they offer will suit my future purchase. I really give alot of thought to big purchases like this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruger71 View Post
    Interesting discussions. I agree, if GM and Chrysler products would make 100,000 miles anymore, they wouldn't have went bankrupt. I am very proud of the fact that my company is extremely committed to quality and doing everything we can on our end to keep the cost down. It is a position in that more in the labor force need to be taking, but we need the jobs here so that they have the opportunity.

    Just curious on everyones take. I love the feel of the XD (wish I could shoot one), but it does bother me that they are not made here. This goes for other imports as well. I agree Smiths seem to be overpriced to me. Ruger seems to be more reasonable, but I'm not sure any they offer will suit my future purchase. I really give a lot of thought to big purchases like this.
    I hear many great things about Ruger Semiautos but they use a fiberglass material rather than poly in their frames and it is like Teflon to me. I have to regrip after almost every shot. True poly pistols I have no problems with just like metal frame guns, with rubber or wood grips, no problems with them either, I have a GP100 though and the grip on it is sweet. I would love to have a Ruger semi in my collection but that fiberglass material just kills it for me.
    Do you know, are Rugers all American made?

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    the guns are American made..........but they do have an air rifle that i think is a re-brand...........

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    Repost of a topical email I received this morning:

    One Light Bulb at a Time

    A physics teacher in high school, once told the students that while one grasshopper on the railroad tracks wouldn't slow a train very much, a billion of them would. With that thought in mind, read the following, obviously written by a good American ..

    Good idea .. . . one light bulb at a time . . . .

    Check this out! I can verify this because I was in Lowe's the other day for some reason and just for the heck of it I was looking at the hose attachments. They were all made in China . The next day I was in Ace Hardware and just for the heck of it I checked the hose attachments there. They were made in USA . Start looking ..

    In our current economic situation, every little thing we buy or do affects someone else - even their job. So, after reading this email, I think this lady is on the right track. Let's get behind her!

    My grandson likes Hershey's candy. I noticed, though, that it is marked made in Mexico now. I do not buy it any more. My favorite toothpaste Colgate is made in Mexico ... now I have switched to Crest. You have to read the labels on everything ..

    This past weekend I was at Kroger. I needed 60 W light bulbs and Bounce dryer sheets. I was in the light bulb aisle, and right next to the GE brand I normally buy was an off-brand labeled, "Everyday Value." I picked up both types of bulbs and compared the stats - they were the same except for the price..

    The GE bulbs were more money than the Everyday Value brand but the thing that surprised me the most was the fact that GE was made in MEXICO and the Everyday Value brand was made in - get ready for this - the USA in a company in Cleveland , Ohio .

    So throw out the myth that you cannot find products you use every day that are made right here..

    So on to another aisle - Bounce Dryer Sheets....yep, you guessed it, Bounce cost more money and is made in Canada . The Everyday Value brand was less money and MADE IN THE USA! I did laundry yesterday and the dryer sheets performed just like the Bounce Free I have been using for years and at almost half the price!

    My challenge to you is to start reading the labels when you shop for everyday things and see what you can find that is made in the USA - the job you save may be your own or your neighbors!

    If you accept the challenge, pass this on to others in your address book so we can all start buying American, one light bulb at a time! Stop buying from overseas companies!

    (We should have awakened a decade ago)

    Let's get with the program.....help our fellow Americans keep their jobs and create more jobs here in the USA!
    I almost always make some attempt at researching email claims before propagating potential BS. Hershey does indeed make some candy in Mexico after closing some US factories. Some varieties of Colgate toothpaste are made in Mexico, Canada, and the UK. Wasn't able to determine anything about "Everyday Value" light bulbs.

    Regardless, I agree with the main point of the narrative; actively looking for domestically made products and purchasing them when you can is a good plan. I don't think that extends to buying inferior products just because they are domestically made though.

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