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      Angry Stupidity in California

      It would appear that California is going to effectively shut off most ammo sources available to those that live in that state. Who will sell ammo with the new Law in effect. I don't believe I would feel comfortable doing so.

      You better start writing, calling, knocking on the door etc. of the Govenator before it is too late.

      The following was copied from the M&P forum.

      Obama has people helping him in many ways.

      Clanger can you confirm this?


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      To: Cabela's California Customers
      From: Cabela's Communications
      Subject: California Assembly Bill 962
      Date: Sept. 22, 2009

      We are writing to inform you of pending legislation that will restrict purchases of handgun ammunition in California and will terminate our ability to service your needs for certain products.

      On Friday, Sept. 11, the California Assembly passed Assembly Bill 962, by a 44-31 vote.

      Among other regulations, AB 962 would:


      • Ban all mail-order and Internet sales of handgun ammunition.
      • Prohibit the retail sale, the offer for sale or the display of handgun ammunition in a
      manner that allows ammunition to be accessible to a purchaser without assistance of a
      vendor or employee.
      • Require that the delivery or transfer of ownership of handgun ammunition occur in a
      face-to-face transaction, with the deliverer or transferor being provided bona fide
      evidence of identity of the purchaser or other transferee.


      That evidence of identity, which must be legibly recorded at the time of delivery, includes:


      • The right thumbprint of the purchaser or transferee.
      • The date of the sale or other transaction.
      • The purchaser's or transferee's driver's license or other identification number and the
      state in which it was issued.
      • The brand, type and amount of ammunition sold or otherwise transferred.
      • The purchaser's or transferee's signature.
      • The name of the salesperson who processed the sale or other transaction.
      • The purchaser's or transferee's full residential address and telephone number.
      • The purchaser's or transferee's date of birth.


      The bill is on the desk of Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, where it awaits his consideration. He will have until Oct. 11 to sign or veto the bill. If he does not veto the bill, it will become law.

      If you wish to comment on AB 962, you may contact Gov. Schwarzenegger by phone at (916) 445-2841, or via fax at (916) 558-3160. To e-mail Gov. Schwarzenegger, visit
      http://gov.ca.gov/interact

      Last edited by TOF; 09-24-2009 at 02:38 PM. Reason: unnecessary word duh

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      Quote Originally Posted by TOF View Post
      It would appear that California is going to effectively shut off most ammo sources available to those that live in that state. Who will sell ammo with the new Law in effect. I don't believe I would feel comfortable doing so.

      You better start writing, calling, knocking on the door etc. of the Govenator before it is too late.

      The following was copied from the M&P forum.

      Obama has people helping him in many ways.

      Clanger can you confirm this?


      ________________________

      To: Cabela's California Customers
      From: Cabela's Communications
      Subject: California Assembly Bill 962
      Date: Sept. 22, 2009

      We are writing to inform you of pending legislation that will restrict purchases of handgun ammunition in California and will terminate our ability to service your needs for certain products.

      On Friday, Sept. 11, the California Assembly passed Assembly Bill 962, by a 44-31 vote.

      Among other regulations, AB 962 would:


      • Ban all mail-order and Internet sales of handgun ammunition.
      • Prohibit the retail sale, the offer for sale or the display of handgun ammunition in a
      manner that allows ammunition to be accessible to a purchaser without assistance of a
      vendor or employee.
      • Require that the delivery or transfer of ownership of handgun ammunition occur in a
      face-to-face transaction, with the deliverer or transferor being provided bona fide
      evidence of identity of the purchaser or other transferee.


      That evidence of identity, which must be legibly recorded at the time of delivery, includes:


      • The right thumbprint of the purchaser or transferee.
      • The date of the sale or other transaction.
      • The purchaser's or transferee's driver's license or other identification number and the
      state in which it was issued.
      • The brand, type and amount of ammunition sold or otherwise transferred.
      • The purchaser's or transferee's signature.
      • The name of the salesperson who processed the sale or other transaction.
      • The purchaser's or transferee's full residential address and telephone number.
      • The purchaser's or transferee's date of birth.


      The bill is on the desk of Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, where it awaits his consideration. He will have until Oct. 11 to sign or veto the bill. If he does not veto the bill, it will become law.

      If you wish to comment on AB 962, you may contact Gov. Schwarzenegger by phone at (916) 445-2841, or via fax at (916) 558-3160. To e-mail Gov. Schwarzenegger, visit
      http://gov.ca.gov/interact

      So basically you will still be able to buy ammo, you just have to show a drivers license. And stores will have to keep it behind the counter.

      Well here in NY they always have it behind a counter to start with, and now they are asking to see your pistol permit to buy it, which is basically like a drivers license anyway.

      Restricting the purchase through the Internet is certainly crappy but the other part is SOP for many states already.

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      Also...

      Also you will not be able to sell more than 50 rounds to a friend or family member unless you have a license to sell ammo. The reason for this is to restrict ammo from the criminals, and we all know they will follow this law, not others, because this one is so well written.

      Criminals are criminals because they do not follow the law, this is just a back door to grab the guns, or sorry the ammo so we cannot use the gun.

      I can only hope that we get enough of the liberal bums currently in our congress and senate thrown out in the 2010 and 2011 electections to start reversing this crap!

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      It sounds like now would be a good time to open a gun & ammo store in Reno or Las Vegas.

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      no wonder why everyone is stocking up on ammo. just keeps getting harder and harder

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      It appears they have removed the 50 rounds per month restriction from this bill. Probably has something to do with generating state sales tax revenue, same reason why the mail order ban.

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      I'm so sick and tired of having to fight for everything f****** thing that I enjoy doing. WTF is wrong w/ this state?

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      Oh, by the way, quick instructions to tell Arnold to veto: You can oppose AB 962 by calling 1-916-445-2841

      First press 1
      then 2
      then 2
      then 2 again VETO AB 962)

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      The Governor signed the bill...

      To the Members of the California State Assembly:

      I am signing Assembly Bill 962.

      This measure would require vendors of handgun ammunition to keep a log of information on
      handgun ammunition sales, store ammunition in a safe and secure manner, and require the faceto-
      face transfer of ammunition sales.

      Although I have previously vetoed legislation similar to this measure, local governments have
      demonstrated that requiring ammunition vendors to keep records on ammunition sales improves
      public safety. These records have allowed law enforcement to arrest and prosecute persons who
      have no business possessing firearms and ammunition: gang members, violent parolees, second
      and third strikers, and even people previously serving time in state prison for murder. Utilized
      properly, this type of information is invaluable for keeping communities safe and preventing
      dangerous felons from committing crimes with firearms.

      Moreover, this type of recordkeeping is no more intrusive for law abiding citizens than similar
      laws governing pawnshops or the sale of cold medicine. Unfortunately, even the most successful
      local program is flawed; without a statewide law, felons can easily skirt the record keeping
      requirements of one city by visiting another. Assembly Bill 962 will fix this problem by
      mandating that all ammunition vendors in the state keep records on ammunition sales.

      As Governor, I have sought the appropriate balance between public safety and the right to keep
      and bear arms. I have signed important public safety measures to regulate the sale and transfer
      of .50 caliber rifles, instituted the California Firearms License Check program, and promoted the
      use of microstamping technology in handguns. I have also vetoed many pieces of legislation that
      sought to place unreasonable restrictions and burdens on firearms dealers and ammunition
      vendors. Assembly Bill 962 reasonably regulates access to ammunition and improves public
      safety without placing undue burdens on consumers.

      For these reasons, I am pleased to sign this bill.

      Sincerely,

      Arnold Schwarzenegger
      http://gov.ca.gov/press-release/13575/

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      Why risk the political fallout by trying to ban guns... just ban the ammo, one step at a time.

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      Just one more chip off the gun owners block of rights!

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      So, does this mean the Govenator is a full-blood Kennedy now?

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      Quote Originally Posted by funkypunk97 View Post
      So basically you will still be able to buy ammo, you just have to show a drivers license. And stores will have to keep it behind the counter.

      Well here in NY they always have it behind a counter to start with, and now they are asking to see your pistol permit to buy it, which is basically like a drivers license anyway.

      Restricting the purchase through the Internet is certainly crappy but the other part is SOP for many states already.
      Man..The more of this stuff I hear the less I dislike my Ol' Ky. Home. Depending on the shop ammo can be in front or behind the counter. The Walmarts here leave all the shotgun ammo in front. and they are about the most restrictive I've seen around here.

      Asking to see a carry permit or license to me just sounds like a waste of time and that much more government to deal with. That's the government for you though. If you don't like something just regulate it out of existence.

      If it was me I'd have a problem living in a state that had such restrictions. But I understand why there is no mas exodus from these places too. People do have to eat after all.

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      Nobody here seems to get it.....this is a good bill that all criminals will obey. What is the matter with you, doubting Thomas's. It will reduce a lot of crime. Not only will crimnals follow this LAW, but all illegal aliens will also follow this law.

      We have morons in our government if they belive we belive it was passed to reduce crime. It was passed to restrict our rights!
      Last edited by Sonny Boy; 10-12-2009 at 09:27 PM.

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      Arizona is going to build a fence like we need at our southern border except it will be along the Colorado River to keep you california criminals from buying up all our ammo.

      You Kalifornians need to get some of your lazy citizens off their ass and to the polls to vote out your captors.

      I realy liked the governators comments about microstamping. You realy need that law.

      Good Luck. We will be watching.


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