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    Quote Originally Posted by tekhead1219 View Post
    And you have a problem with Americans?
    I got the impression - perhaps mistaken - that lostsoul is saying that we're all Americans, and creating labels to divide us is not productive.

    I could be wrong.
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    I got the same impression, Mike, but I must say the post was a little vague. And not very productive in itself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lostsoul View Post
    BLAH BLah blah,yada yada yada-----------A-M-E-R-I-C-A-N-S-!
    I think we need a new forum rule; no drinking and posting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Barham View Post
    I could be wrong.
    Are you certain you want to admit something like that Mike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Todd View Post
    I think we need a new forum rule; no drinking and posting.
    That might be going too far. Some of the best threads on this forum likely resulted from drinking and posting... well, that and politics!

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    Quote Originally Posted by TOF View Post
    Are you certain you want to admit something like that Mike.
    Well, I did think I was wrong once, but I was mistaken.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kev74 View Post
    Some of the best threads on this forum likely resulted from drinking and posting
    As well as some of the most random and incoherent.

    Unfortunately js hasn't gotten the Breathalyzer software up and running yet, so there would be no way to enforce the rule.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Barham View Post
    I got the impression - perhaps mistaken - that lostsoul is saying that we're all Americans, and creating labels to divide us is not productive.

    I could be wrong.
    That's exactly what I'm saying.Not so much on this forum but it's gotten down right dirty and name calling.We are all Americans and we share a common interest in our future and the future of our children.NOT ON THIS FORUM,but democrat-republican,some have drawn some weird lines.All of a sudden we're stereotypeing and bashing and insulting etc..I'm very open minded and my only concern is that (WE THE PEOPLE)America,benefit from who ever wins in Nov.I'm liberal by nature but conservitive by morality.I just hope for all our sake,color,religion,sexual preference whatever,we make the right choice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Todd View Post
    As well as some of the most random and incoherent.
    I may or may not be guilty of drinking and posting.

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    I think the biggest problem is that the two sides want to be static, but they are very much dynamic. The swinging scale from left to right does not move in clicks and blocks but in a smeared gradient.

    We have extremes on both sides, neither of which 90% of the people agree with. So we end up with each side split into a smear of numbers....

    We end up with 10% extreme left, and 10% extreme right -
    Then it splits deeper with 15% moderate lefts and 15% moderate right -

    Right there is a 50% of the population that is not likely to want to understand the other side of the argument.

    Then you have the remaining 50% of the votes, who degrade that split even more as it moves to the middle, but it is this 50% that decides every election. So we end up with gray area politics as a permanent fixture in the USA. Neither side gains much control over the other and in essence nothing really gets done.

    Every once in a while we get a president who can bridge that gap and convince both sides that there is a middle ground. But alas this is happening less and less because the two sides hold such contempt for each other that we are seeing so much partisan grand-standing and spiteful attacks that hurt America.

    A bunch of selfish little babies who get mad at the other side for calling them names....booo-fu<%1ng-hooo ...... my feelings are hurt so I will now punish the tax payers to prove my point.....

    And then you have this same hatred spilling over to the voters.... I've heard such appalling things come out of voters mouths this year it is astonishing...... from the dip-wad in Wasilla saying he would not mind a McCain heart attack so his beloved Palin could get the presidency, to people saying Obama is a terrorist and the Antichrist.......

    I've never seen such seething hatred for what seems to amount to the same exact thing.... both sides want the same thing and that is the truth. I do not know one single Democratic voter that wants to take your guns, and I don't know one single Republican that wants the war to continue forever...... I don't know any Democrats that want more tax and spend, and I don't know any Republican that wants true helper programs to be slashed out of business.....

    Everyone agrees on new energy, everyone wants less government spending, everyone wants to be safe from terrorists, everyone wants all the same things for our country.....

    Problem is everyone thinks their way is the best way to get us there and that this point they have ALL been wrong.......

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    FunkyPunk;
    Very well stated.
    I agree.

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    Amen! funkypunk.I'll probably vote for the party that is less dirt digging.less name calling and less defensive,and keep my fingers crossed and pray.

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    LostSoul;
    Please, next time, say what you mean and don't leave it up to us to interpret.
    Ambiguosity sometimes comes across as disparagement, as it did to me in your previous post.

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    The New Party!

    Idealists+Realists=Libraconservatarians,nice ring to it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lostsoul View Post
    Idealists+Realists=Libraconservatarians,nice ring to it.
    Libraconservatarians...aren't they the ones who keep the Zodiac circling around the sky in the proper order?

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    Quote Originally Posted by lostsoul View Post
    That's exactly what I'm saying.Not so much on this forum but it's gotten down right dirty and name calling.We are all Americans and we share a common interest in our future and the future of our children.NOT ON THIS FORUM,but democrat-republican,some have drawn some weird lines.All of a sudden we're stereotypeing and bashing and insulting etc..I'm very open minded and my only concern is that (WE THE PEOPLE)America,benefit from who ever wins in Nov.I'm liberal by nature but conservitive by morality.I just hope for all our sake,color,religion,sexual preference whatever,we make the right choice.
    We'll know in oh, about 4 years.

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