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    Quote Originally Posted by js View Post
    If you look at the latest polls, America is starting to wake up to this dangerous fraud. McCain is now up by 10 points.
    Well, not quite. One major poll, USA Today-Gallup, has McCain at +10. However, the rest have him between a tie and +5. The RCP Average has McCain at +2.9. This is within the error margin of most polls, so it can also be interpreted as a tie. http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epo...obama-225.html

    It's a good trend for McCain, but I think he owes it largely to the strength of his running mate, rather than the weakness of his opponent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Barham View Post
    Well, not quite. One major poll, USA Today-Gallup, has McCain at +10. However, the rest have him between a tie and +5. The RCP Average has McCain at +2.9. This is within the error margin of most polls, so it can also be interpreted as a tie. http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epo...obama-225.html

    It's a good trend for McCain, but I think he owes it largely to the strength of his running mate, rather than the weakness of his opponent.
    Totally agree.

    But like I said, it's totally amazing that with all the media coverage Obama has had....and it's been all about him, there's no disagreeing about that. He's (Obama) enjoyed free advertising from the extremely biased media and McCain is now leading. Even before Palin stepped into the picture, Obama was never leading by much. Palin now seals the deal.

    As for the Mayor of Detriot and now Dr. Khalid al-Mansour, this is part of a pattern for Obama... Anyone denying this pattern at this point needs to take a closer look at who this man really is... or isn't. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure this one out. If I hang out with herion addicts, it's a pretty safe bet that someone who doesn't know me will assume that I'm an addict myself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by js View Post
    "birds of a feather, flock together"
    I agree. See McCain-Feingold, McCain-Kennedy, McCain-Lieberman, Keating Five, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by js View Post
    Totally agree.

    But like I said, it's totally amazing that with all the media coverage Obama has had....and it's been all about him, there's no disagreeing about that. He's (Obama) enjoyed free advertising from the extremely biased media...
    JS, are you surprised? The majority of the news media and the entertainment industries are well known for being liberal Democrats...

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    Touche Mike. However, I don't find his association with democrats entirely distateful. Rather, I can appreciate a man who will work with "the other side" if the goal is the same as opposed to one who will blindly follow the party line, and block good ideas just because they didn't propose them.

    Though his implementation on McCain-Feingold (foe example) is certainly up for debate as heavy-handed, the root intention of discouraging the bribery of politicians is overwhemingly positive in my view. The alternative of "do nothing" is, by definition, certainly not going to solve the problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MLB View Post
    Touche Mike. However, I don't find his association with democrats entirely distasteful. Rather, I can appreciate a man who will work with "the other side" if the goal is the same as opposed to one who will blindly follow the party line, and block good ideas just because they didn't propose them.

    Though his implementation on McCain-Feingold (for example) is certainly up for debate as heavy-handed, the root intention of discouraging the bribery of politicians is overwhelmingly positive in my view. The alternative of "do nothing" is, by definition, certainly not going to solve the problem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MLB View Post
    Rather, I can appreciate a man who will work with "the other side" if the goal is the same as opposed to one who will blindly follow the party line, and block good ideas just because they didn't propose them.
    Sure. Let's look at the legislation I mentioned.

    McCain-Feingold: muzzle "special interest" groups like NRA, ACLU, NAACP, etc., First Amendment be damned, so that no one can criticize politicans before an election.

    McCain-Kennedy: relabel illegal aliens as "legal workers" and add 400,000 "guest workers" to the American labor pool, in exchange for vague promises about some future tightening of the porous border.

    McCain-Lieberman: remove 39,000 jobs from the American economy, cause a 13% rise in energy prices, and increase gasoline costs by 9% in an attempt to curry favor with the worldwide environmental lobby.

    The alternative of "do nothing" is, by definition, certainly not going to solve the problem.
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    I can only intelligently debate the first, so please excuse my lack of comment on the others. Perhaps I can catch up on those later, though I doubt you'll get much arguement from me on any amnesty program for illegal aliens.

    Regarding the infringement on the First Amendment, are you suggesting that it protects the rights of organizations and corporations as well as individuals?

    Individuals (and corporations for that matter) are still free to criticise candidates, they are only barred from doing an end-around of the campaign finance limits by donating services rather than cash. I think we'd all object to a foreign power bankrolling the candidacy of a favored person, should it be any different for say, the AFL-CIO?

    I certainly don't want the President of the United States decided by the highest bidder. Leaving it up to the best funded special interest is not much different.

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