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    Terrorism Museum

    Welcome to the Terrordome
    Inside America's newest terrorism museum.

    Here's a scenario likely to terrify visitors—including Democratic National Convention delegates—in Denver. You are walking down the 16th Street pedestrian mall on a bright summer day. Children are riding bicycles. Families are picnicking. Suddenly a huge fireball explodes, shaking the earth and scorching everyone in its path. Sirens wail. Ambulances rush to the scene. America's worst nightmare—a domestic terrorist attack—has once again come to pass.

    Thankfully, this event did not really happen. But you can experience a virtual version of the next terrorist bombing in the American heartland at one of Denver's oddest convention-week attractions: the country's newest museum devoted exclusively to terrorism. Opened Monday afternoon with a visit from Colorado Gov. Bill Ritter, the Center for Empowered Living and Learning (The CELL) is a high-tech, multimedia, Technicolor exhibit devoted to educating the American public about the realities—and root causes—of terrorism. Located in a modern building next to the futuristic Denver Art Museum, the exhibit is designed to educate the general public about what its creators term "the most important global issue of our time."

    The exhibit includes graphic film footage and interactive displays devoted to terrorist acts around the world, ranging from the PLO massacre of Israeli athletes at the 1972 Munich Olympics to the Oklahoma City bombings, the July 7, 2005, attacks on London Transport, and of course 9/11. Analysis is offered by familiar faces such as Rudy Giuliani and Michael Chertoff—as well as more unusual choices, like a former Archbishop of Canterbury. Civil-liberties issues are not ignored, though they get relatively short shrift. (Ironically, the exhibit includes an observation from Rand Corporation expert Brian Jenkins who notes that the actual risk to an American of being killed in a terror attack is about one in a million, compared to one-in-7,000 or -8,000 chance of being killed in a car accident.)

    Organizers of the exhibit say it is totally nonpartisan and has no political message. But it may not be an accident that the $7 million exhibit was conceived and funded by Lawrence Mizel, a wealthy Denver homebuilder and longtime Republican Party donor, who, according to federal records, is a maxed-out contributor to Sen. John McCain's presidential campaign. In an interview, Mizel told Terror Watch he was only trying to increase public awareness and understanding of a global problem.

    But those claims seemed a bit hollow Tuesday when former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani, slated to be the keynote speaker at next week's Republican convention, showed up to see the exhibit—on Day Two of the Democratic convention. After touring the museum, an obviously choked-up Giuliani said it was a "moving" experience that should remind visitors that terrorism was "an ongoing problem," not an historical issue. Giuliani said he didn't want to make any political points during his visit. But as soon as he left, he drove straight over to local GOP headquarters and fired away. "The Democrats want to go back on defense against terrorism, want to cut back on wiretapping, want to cut back on surveillance, they want to cut back on interrogation techniques," he said. "Senator McCain wants to be on the offense."
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    The election is coming up quick. Cue the republican fear mongering!





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    Quote Originally Posted by kev74 View Post
    The election is coming up quick. Cue the republican fear mongering!




    compared to the Democrat (the sky is falling...aka Al Gore) fear mongering...? you're right... the election is right around the corner.

    Who's more of a threat to my personal freedoms....? Democrat or Al Quaida...?

    Hands down... A Democrat.

    Remember... Joe Biden (D) wrote the 1994 AWB and Bill Clinton (D) signed it into law. Just wait until Joe Biden is VP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by js View Post
    Who's more of a threat to my personal freedoms....? Democrat or Al Quaida...?
    The republicans haven't been doing us any favors in terms of personal freedoms. We've got the patriot acts I & II, the phone companies are listening to our calls, if we don't like the establishment we can voice our displeasure in special "free speech zones" far removed form the action, and we're barring the press form acknowledging that dead soldiers are coming home.

    So the dems want our guns and the republicans want us to live in a police state where we're perpetually on high alert. Neither alternative is good, but another 4 years of what we've got isn't very appetizing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kev74 View Post
    The republicans haven't been doing us any favors in terms of personal freedoms. We've got the patriot acts I & II, the phone companies are listening to our calls, if we don't like the establishment we can voice our displeasure in special "free speech zones" far removed form the action, and we're barring the press form acknowledging that dead soldiers are coming home.

    So the dems want our guns and the republicans want us to live in a police state where we're perpetually on high alert. Neither alternative is good, but another 4 years of what we've got isn't very appetizing.
    Don't worry, the patriot act will be replaced by the Nancy Pelosi sponsored "Fairness Doctrine". Which she has stated she's going to get passed. So, we'll all be silenced. Shitbag liberals will do everything in their power to take away our guns...paying the way for a real "police state". So there goes the 1st and 2nd amendments out the window. As for the patriot act, you must be suffering from memory loss... Democrats helped get that passed as well.. and right after 9/11 they actually had a major role in it's birth.

    we're barring the press form acknowledging that dead soldiers are coming home.
    you're kidding right...? The f*cking press is keeping score of the deaths better than we're fighting the wars.

    Sorry, but 4 or god forbid 8 years of Obama/Biden and Nancy Pelosi will be a nightmare. While Democrats have full control of congress, then give me a Republican president anyday. The goal is the keep the governemt in gridlock... unable to pass anything.

    But then again.... I always love being the one to say "I told you so". It's almost like a high...
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    Quote Originally Posted by js View Post
    Who's more of a threat to my personal freedoms....? Democrat or Al Quaida...?

    Hands down... A Democrat.

    Remember... Joe Biden (D) wrote the 1994 AWB and Bill Clinton (D) signed it into law. Just wait until Joe Biden is VP.

    I'll just point out that the presumptive Republican nominee sponsored the most vicious attack on the First Amendment in at least a generation: McCain-Feingold. I'll further point out that this destruction of personal liberty was signed into law by a Republican president, and deemed "constitutional" by a Supreme Court composed of a majority of justices appointed by Republicans.

    Republicans as defenders of liberty? Gimme a break. Between some of the subsections of the Patriot Act, the wiretapping stuff, the creation of agencies like TSA, paranoia about radical Islam being an "existential threat" to Western civilization, flag-burning amendments, religiously-motivated bans on gay marriage, and eager involvement in a war with no recognizable end that requires back-door drafts ("stop loss"), I don't think anyone can make the case that Republicans are reliably in favor of individual liberty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Barham View Post
    I'll just point out that the presumptive Republican nominee sponsored the most vicious attack on the First Amendment in at least a generation: McCain-Feingold. I'll further point out that this destruction of personal liberty was signed into law by a Republican president, and deemed "constitutional" by a Supreme Court composed of a majority of justices appointed by Republicans.

    Republicans as defenders of liberty? Gimme a break. Between some of the subsections of the Patriot Act, the wiretapping stuff, the creation of agencies like TSA, paranoia about radical Islam being an "existential threat" to Western civilization, flag-burning amendments, religiously-motivated bans on gay marriage, and eager involvement in a war with no recognizable end that requires back-door drafts ("stop loss"), I don't think anyone can make the case the Republicans are reliably in favor of individual liberty.

    "It's not about guns. It's about freedom." - Wayne LaPierre
    I have no love for either party or candidate at the moment. As for a defender of liberty... Well, that surely isn't any of us.

    As for an Islamic threat... I'll just pretend that radical Islam didn't slaughter 3,000 Americans a few years ago. You're right, they're not a threat. I'm just imagining things.

    Patriot Act, the wiretapping stuff, the creation of agencies like TSA
    again, all with the full backing of the Democrats... that was my point before. Laws are signed by a president, after it has the full backing of both parties. That's how it works. It seems that the democrat/liberal sheep forget that small little detail and instantly blame just one party.

    But anyway, don't worry... Obama will save the day from the evil freedom grabbing anti-flag burning republicans.

    McCain-Feingold will be considered a walk in the park after Obama/Biden & Pelosi are finished with us. Also, when the Fairness Doctrine is re-instated... censorship will have a new meaning.
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    Quote Originally Posted by js View Post
    As for an Islamic threat... I'll just pretend that radical Islam didn't slaughter 3,000 Americans a few years ago. You're right, they're not a threat. I'm just imagining things.
    Read what I wrote. I even put quotation marks around it. Radical Islam is clearly a threat. It is simply not an "existential threat" to the western world, like so many conservatives like to claim as they rationalize a perpetual war and restrictions on the liberty of Americans.

    I've seen the Taliban and such. They are mainly a bunch of unsophisticated savages with minimal fighting ability. Yes, they might be able to get lucky and hurt us with some scattered explosions and such, but their sporadic hits will not end our civilization. Imagining firefights with al-Qaeda in the streets of Boston is akin to imagining a bunch of Appalachian hillbillies mounting an invasion of Zimbabwe.

    http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/existential

    again, all with the full backing of the Democrats... that was my point before. Laws are signed by a president, after it has the full backing of both parties. That's how it works. It seems that the democrat/liberal sheep forget that small little detail and instantly blame just one party.
    I concur, but that doesn't really give me a reason to prefer the RINO party to the Jackass Party. Both will stomp on my liberty. They just sometimes stomp on different liberties.

    But anyway, don't worry... Obama will save the day from the evil freedom grabbing anti-flag burning republicans.
    Sarcasm noted. Flag burning is a form of free speech. Why should I prefer a Republican party that wants to remove my First Amendment rights to a Democrat party that wants to remove my Second Amendment rights?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Barham View Post
    Sarcasm noted. Flag burning is a form of free speech. Why should I prefer a Republican party that wants to remove my First Amendment rights to a Democrat party that wants to remove my Second Amendment rights?

    I agree to a point. It's kinda like that whole discussion about gay marriage. In the case of the Flag, it may very well be a First Amendment right, but I still retain the right to be flabbergasted and pissed off. I also reserve the right to walk up and punch that yahoo in the nose, along with the right to pay the consequenses for such act. It may very well be that you are changing my mind a little Mike... thank you for reminding me that I'm not a rock, I'm better for it.


    I was discussing this with a guy at work, and he equated this terrorism museum to that of the Holocaust Museum in Wash, DC. I seriously about fell out of my shoes because I was in the presense of someone who does not have the ability to tell the difference of scope and scale between the two events. Both were tragic events, but there's no comparison.

    My point is, I think this was much more of a political stunt to disrupt or distract attention from the DNC than it was a solid and true dedication to the memory of the event. This coming from a person with a big (R) after his name.... I hope I'm not catching that sickness going around... you know... change.

    Regardless of the political motivations of the museum, or that Rudy showed up to take a photo op, I still can't bring myself to vote for a Obama bin Biden ticket.

    Keep your eyes peeled for stunts similar to this as we approach the RNC. STAY TUNED.

    After these messages, we'll be right back.... (cut to Coco Puffs commercial)


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    Quote Originally Posted by zhurdan View Post
    I also reserve the right to walk up and punch that yahoo in the nose, along with the right to pay the consequenses for such act.
    I realize this is somewhat in jest, but obviously no one has any such right. But of course you can get as pissed as you want.

    It may very well be that you are changing my mind a little Mike... thank you for reminding me that I'm not a rock, I'm better for it.
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    Here's a little more "fear mongering" for you... as I said before, it goes both ways.

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26460555/
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    Quote Originally Posted by js View Post
    Here's a little more "fear mongering" for you... as I said before, it goes both ways.

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26460555/
    I don't think pointing out candidates positions on an issue is fear mongering.

    Opening a museum for the sole purpose of pointing out what the scary brown, non Judeo-Christians have done to us (and might do to us again!!!)- to me smells of fear mongering.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kev74 View Post
    Opening a museum for the sole purpose of pointing out what the scary brown, non Judeo-Christians have done to us (and might do to us again!!!)- to me smells of fear mongering.
    I won't give my opinion on this musuem since I haven't been there and experienced it. As long as it's done in a way that educates the public and isn't "in your face" then why not? There are people still in denial that there is a real terrorist threat out there and they should be educated.

    As for the "scary brown, non-Judeo-Christian" generalization, the article says there's content of the Oklahoma City bombings at the musuem as well. Remember, we also have our own wackos to deal with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by f00lish1 View Post
    I won't give my opinion on this musuem since I haven't been there and experienced it. As long as it's done in a way that educates the public and isn't "in your face" then why not? There are people still in denial that there is a real terrorist threat out there and they should be educated.

    As for the "scary brown, non-Judeo-Christian" generalization, the article says there's content of the Oklahoma City bombings at the musuem as well. Remember, we also have our own wackos to deal with.
    I haven't been there either, but I did read through their web site. The web site and the trailer they have posted seem to fit the bill for "in your face" if not outright sensationalism, to me anyway.

    The CELL

    While Oklahoma City is mentioned, I didn't see anything on there about the unibomber, anthrax, or even the ATFE's assault on the Branch Davidians in Waco and Elian Gonzalez's family in Miami, Israel’s treatment of the Palestinians or our occupation of Iraq - all of which are viewed as terrorism by a large chunk of the world.

    From the perspective of the East India Tea Company, the Boston Tea Party was an act of terrorism committed by Insurgents. I wonder if our Founding Fathers will be so mentioned....

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    I'd just like to point out that while living in the USA and Canada (15+yrs total), I've yet to meet a radical islamist 'terrorist' that has infringed upon my rights or terrorized me in any way. I am still waiting to encounter one. I promise, I will be afraid :P

    All the while my own government (both Canada and USA) has regularly passed regulation that strips me of my liberties/rights, is constantly infringing upon them, and meddling into my affairs uninvited. Not to mention the decades of government sponsored terrorism that have claimed lives of thousands of innocent civillians on our soil and foreign.

    Who's the real terrorist? It is crystal clear to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sticks View Post
    I'd just like to point out that while living in the USA and Canada (15+yrs total), I've yet to meet a radical islamist 'terrorist' that has infringed upon my rights or terrorized me in any way. I am still waiting to encounter one. I promise, I will be afraid :P

    All the while my own government (both Canada and USA) has regularly passed regulation that strips me of my liberties/rights, is constantly infringing upon them, and meddling into my affairs uninvited. Not to mention the decades of government sponsored terrorism that have claimed lives of thousands of innocent civillians on our soil and foreign.

    Who's the real terrorist? It is crystal clear to me.
    Then why are you here...? Maybe you should think about moving to a country that gives you more rights... Maybe a country with a beach or something....?

    Here's a video clip of "other" Americans who had the chance to meet some radical islamist 'terrorist'...

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    That is if you believe that a bunch of sheep herders from Afghanistan orchestrated and pulled it off.

    My take on that issue is much different than yours.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sticks View Post
    That is if you believe that a bunch of sheep herders from Afghanistan orchestrated and pulled it off.

    My take on that issue is much different than yours.
    This is at the point of the conversation where you watch what you say... understand?
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    Or what? Are you going to ban me from your forums if I express my opinions? Are you a dictator? Is that why you like to refer to Stalin?

    C'mon man. I know these are your boards. But I never signed up to be told what to do. My understanding was, I needed to play nice and not be blatantly disrespectful.

    Maybe I forgot to read the fine print.

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