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    Techniques improving??

    I still do a little training on the side for new rookie police officers , and a couple of the younger guys and I where talking,about the warriors over in the so called "sand box". Their constant house to house clearing and stuff that goes on, and it came around to what will change or improve once they come back into the fold of police work.

    I saw a few changes that we" RVN VETS" brought back and used.

    What's think you??? What will change???

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    I saw lots of very professional gunhandling over there. Fingers are off triggers, ready positions are good, fighting stances are squared-up and efficient. Marksmanship can use improvement, but it always can. I definitely think we have a more realistic view of modern urban fighting than we've ever had before.

    There's a lot of urban fighting and structure clearing, but I am unsure how applicable that will be to anyone but SWAT serving no-knock warrants. Entries are almost always dynamic, mainly with four-man teams from what I saw, and very fast-moving. This seems inapplicable to cops working alone or in pairs, except perhaps in the case of an active shooter, and certainly has little in common with the armed citizen.
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    Mike your more than likely right on the armed citizen type,,but its interesting on the entries, with more and more PD's doing active shooter scenarios, and it being dependent on the first arriving units to respond ,this mite just one of the areas we will see improvement in.

    Do you think any improvements in Armour have com about for personal use?? Haven't followed that area for awhile

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave James View Post
    Do you think any improvements in Armour have com about for personal use?? Haven't followed that area for awhile
    We started with the IBA, which weighs about 33 pounds with all the hard plates but without ammo or other loads. The ESAPI plates work well, defeating up to 7.62X51mm AP and also providing considerable protection from IED-type blasts. One of my very close friends would have been killed in an IED strike had it not been for his IBA. Instead, he wasn't permanently injured and just got a bachelor's in history.

    About halfway through the deployment, we transitioned to the IOTV. This is about 3 pounds lighter than the IBA, but the weight savings seems negligible when you're loaded up with 60-70 pounds of crap on your vest. The IOTV also has a quick-release, so if you get wounded, a medic can quickly strip the armor and begin first aid. The IOTV also has a mesh lining that circulates air much better than the IBA, and so I preferred the IOTV.

    Both IBA and IOTV seriously limit movement, especially when you start adding the deltoid and axillary armor. On the other hand, some studies have shown that soldiers shoot better with the armor on.

    Overall, I think the IOTV is a marginal improvement over the IBA, and both are far, far better than the old flak vests.

    We had some Second Chance HardCorps armor in theater, also. We generally loaned this out to interpreters and didn't use it ourselves. I'm not aware of any casualties among the 'terps who were wearing the HardCorps, but quite honestly the 'terps annoyed most of us and we wouldn't have cared if they blew up.
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    Kind of sounds like how we felt about the Chi-HI scouts,,never trusted them completely

    I can't imagine carrying that kind of weight around on top of every thing else, heat and humidity in RN would drive you into the ground, and I remember the summers there back in the late W's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave James View Post
    I can't imagine carrying that kind of weight around on top of every thing else, heat and humidity in RN would drive you into the ground, and I remember the summers there back in the late W's.
    The hottest it got at our FOB in Mehtar Lam was 136* F. You do what you have to do.
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