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    Marine defends himself at home in U.S.

    This happened a few years ago very near where I live. I remember when it happened, every adult I talked to about it thought the Marine was wrong, that he ought to be punished, kinda made me sick to hear people say that. There are other articles to this story that I can't seem to find, but if I recall correctly this Marine's job was to collect the bodies of fallen Marines, god help him. Here's a few articles regarding this, tell me what you think, I think you guys will find this quite interesting. I think it even made national news at one point.

    http://www.theage.com.au/news/world/...957976863.html
    http://www.boston.com/news/local/mas...ence_shooting/

    BTW, the city that this happened in (Lawrence, MA) has an incredible minority population of Hispanics, upwards of 90%.

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    In my opinion, FWIW, he was in the wrong. I'm curious as to how he fired bullets from a shotgun, though.

    A man who was named "Marine of the Year" last month for his service in Iraq injured two people when he fired a shotgun from his apartment window at a group of revellers leaving a night club.

    A 15-year-old girl and a 20-year-old man were injured by bullet fragments when Daniel Cotnoir, 33, allegedly fired a bullet at the crowd outside his second-floor apartment early Saturday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by teknoid View Post
    In my opinion, FWIW, he was in the wrong. I'm curious as to how he fired bullets from a shotgun, though.
    Well, I respect your opinion, but two things...

    1. I'm not much older than this girl and I was never out at 3 in the morning when I was 15 years old. I know, parents don't watch their kids so it's not the kids fault blah blah blah, where does the personally responsibility begin? It also brings to question nonetheless, what was a 15 year old doing out at 3 am at a club with a 20 year old?

    2. I am familiar with the area in which this happened, and there is a lot of sketchy activity going on there (drugs, prosititution). Example = Barbershops where not one person speaks fluent english and there are 30+ individuals with only 5 barber chairs on a wednesday at noon. Why aren't those 25 extra people are work? A front for something other than haircuts, I wonder? or maybe just people being lazy.

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    The guy was wrong for shooting at people from his apartment window. Nobody is discrediting his service as a Marine and in fact he has been officially recognized for his service. I'm not clear on the connection you are trying to make with the Hispanic population in the city, possibly a preconceived judgment. Do you know or have an update regarding his legal proceedings?

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    Even if there was incoming fire at his building, he is WRONG to fire into a crowd in the hope to hit whoever shot at him.
    Even if he saw the person that shot at him, he is WRONG to fire into a crowd in the hope to hit whoever shot at him.
    It sounds like he caked a round off to quite down an unruly crowd.
    His service record while appreciated is irrelevant to the incident. The race of the group standing outside is irrelevant.

    He deserves counseling and possibly jail time. He should have his rights to own a gun removed as he has shown an inability to handle the responsibility of owning one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by unpecador View Post
    The guy was wrong for shooting at people from his apartment window. Nobody is discrediting his service as a Marine and in fact he has been officially recognized for his service. I'm not clear on the connection you are trying to make with the Hispanic population in the city, possibly a preconceived judgment. Do you know or have an update regarding his legal proceedings?
    Unfortunately, I can't find any updates on what happened after those articles were written, I'm going to look though.

    Maybe a better choice of words would have been more suited for my original post. The percentage of minorities was intended to give a snapshot image of the city. It's pretty common for town's, cities, districts and even counties with high minority populations to also have high crime, although the two do not necessarility go hand in hand, few will argue with that. Wasn't my intention to appear racist or prejudice, but the high minority population, poverty level and amount of crime that is present in Lawrence plays a part in that article. Maybe it depends on your take on it, I dunno.

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    If he wasn't taking fire from the crowd, and he wasn't, he is guilty of attempted murder and should go to prison. Lots of guys have hard duty over there. Most of us see dead bodies, and it sucks. But that's absolutely no excuse for shooting at fellow Americans, one of whom allegedly tossed a beer bottle through his window, no matter their age or ethicity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Barham View Post
    If he wasn't taking fire from the crowd, and he wasn't, he is guilty of attempted murder and should go to prison. Lots of guys have hard duty over there. Most of us see dead bodies, and it sucks. But that's absolutely no excuse for shooting at fellow Americans, one of whom allegedly tossed a beer bottle through his wondow, no matter their age or ethicity.
    I think you're opinion carries a lot of wieght Mike, and I'm glad you chimed in here.

    I'm not saying he's right or wrong, but the way I've heard people in my community talk of this case has surprised me. "Hang him" is the general tone I've heard, when I don't think people took into account the other side of the story. I agree, it's not acceptable to shoot into a crowd of people, but this guy comes home after serving his country has people throwing bottles at his window. I think it's a bit of understanding for each side of the story.

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    I don't really see another side to this story. As I understand it we have the right you use our weapons when our lives are in danger. From the articles you posted I can't see at all where his life was in danger. I'm not gonna comment on what his punishment should be, but this type of behavior is detrimental to all responsible gun owning citizens of this country.

    I respect what he's done for our country with his service but I fail to understand how that has any role in the issue.

    As far as the girl being too young to be out that late. Does that mean that being shot at is a good punishment? That is a matter for her parents to handle the way they see fit. And not for you or the guy firing out of his window to decide.

    So I throw a bottle into your window, does that give you a right to take possible deadly action and shoot at me? Maybe he should have considered moving somewhere other than next to a bar if he wanted peace and quiet.

    Just my $.02

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    Well Marcus what did you mean? You were thinking something when you posted it.
    You threw a race card, a Veteran card and a poor parenting card. Now you want to pick up the cards AND say then you didnít mean he was right or wrong.
    You post would seem to say that you think he is being mistreated or misunderstood or it says there is race involved. Which is it?
    Donít go Obama on us. Stand up for what you said and defend it. Tell us that you hadnít considered it that way and acknowledge someoneís post. Tell us what you meant.

    It was a bunch of (insert racial epitaph) and they deserved it.
    Children that have poor parenting deserve to be shot
    Troubled Veterans should be allowed to shoot at people no matter the cause

    Offering up controversy and then agreeing with everyone doesnít foster good debate.

    He was WRONG. There was no threat of death or great bodily harm by the crowd. He targeted the crowd as a whole. What other side could there possibly be?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Old Padawan View Post
    Well Marcus what did you mean? You were thinking something when you posted it.
    You threw a race card, a Veteran card and a poor parenting card. Now you want to pick up the cards AND say then you didn’t mean he was right or wrong.
    You post would seem to say that you think he is being mistreated or misunderstood or it says there is race involved. Which is it?
    Don’t go Obama on us. Stand up for what you said and defend it. Tell us that you hadn’t considered it that way and acknowledge someone’s post. Tell us what you meant.

    It was a bunch of (insert racial epitaph) and they deserved it.
    Children that have poor parenting deserve to be shot
    Troubled Veterans should be allowed to shoot at people no matter the cause

    Offering up controversy and then agreeing with everyone doesn’t foster good debate.

    He was WRONG. There was no threat of death or great bodily harm by the crowd. He targeted the crowd as a whole. What other side could there possibly be?
    Whew buddy, relax. You're putting a lot of words in my mouth here. Never said anyone deserved to be shot, nothing racist in my posts either. "Children deserve to be shot" WTF are you talking about bud, I never said anything remotely like that and th fact that you're even incinuating that I did is sickening.

    I put my initial opinion up with it, but I was adament on it, otherwise I wouldn't have posted this thread. I wanted to get other's opinions, and I think a lot of people here are right after rethinking this. I think if you look at what I've posted thus far in this thread you'll see that I never took any solid stance on this issue, just put out my initial viewpoint on it, and a few people have said things that have caused me to rethink my stance.

    I wasn't aware that to have a discussion you have to pick a side right off the bat and stick to it no matter what, maybe that's how you have a discussion though. My opinion was going both ways on this and I wanted to get the take that gun owners had.

    Didn't make this thread to get into a little slappy fight with you, and being accused of a racist is not something I take lightly, so cut it out.

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    Thread closed at Marcus99's request.
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