Thread: crime & punishment

Originally Posted by prcabr4christ

...if He didn't feel that way about sin there would be no "Messianic fairytales"...

I think the reason for messianic fables is the same reason we see a similar fervor for Senator Obama right now. Many people are basically lazy and irresponsible. When things go badly, they do not want to put the effort into fixing them on their own. Instead, they want someone (or something) else to swoop in and rescue them. In one case they pray to some deity whose existence is shaky at the very best, and in the other they vote for a politician who promises to bring some vague "change." Both are much easier than doing the hard work.

if you break the law and the judge let's you go (jury aside), does that mean he's a good judge? Absolutely not...

It depends. If he is following the law as decided by the people, then yes, he is a good judge. Let's say I break one of the "laws" you listed above, as determined by the Christian Taliban. Yet the thing I have done is not a crime as determined by my overall community, so the judge frees me. Is he a good judge? By the standards of the community in which we live - and "living in grace" or not - yes.

Irrational, subjective superstitions have no place in the law. Only objective, rational analysis of the situation here on planet Earth does.

Sometimes a picture is worth a thousand words.

Has anyone else noticed the similarity between devout Christians (by devout I mean those who would rank god above all including family and country) and democrats?

First they want you to surrender yourself to someone who knows what’s best for you and relieve you of the toils of self-responsibility.
Second when you ask a difficult question, they either ignore it or answer it with platitudes. Don’t question gods plan. Don’t question Obamas plan. Just trust that both have one and they know what’s good for you.

In a set of laws that are written and enforced by those following a superstition, it is impossible for those that don’t believe in the same thing to be treated fairly. I don’t believe in your god and yet I am still to be punished for damning and striking my drunken father?
I don’t believe in your god and in a land of the truly free, people should not be bound to a god’s laws/rules/judgment.
History has shown that when Christianity has too much power that the men wielding that power abuse it. It should be noted the same is true with all religions that have power over man.

Keep superstitious beliefs out of our laws.

Originally Posted by Old Padawan

Has anyone else noticed the similarity between devout Christians (by devout I mean those who would rank god above all including family and country) and democrats?

To me it seems like the Neo-conservatives seem to be a more perfect match. They're willing to sacrifice both our economic and physical security (Country), as well as the lives of our citizens (Family) to achieve some kind of, to quote the Blues Brothers, mission from God.

Originally Posted by Mike Barham

Many people are basically lazy and irresponsible. When things go badly, they do not want to put the effort into fixing them on their own. Instead, they want someone (or something) else to swoop in and rescue them. In one case they pray to some deity whose existence is shaky at the very best, and in the other they vote for a politician who promises to bring some vague "change." Both are much easier than doing the hard work.



It depends. If he is following the law as decided by the people, then yes, he is a good judge. Let's say I break one of the "laws" you listed above, as determined by the Christian Taliban. Yet the thing I have done is not a crime as determined by my overall community, so the judge frees me. Is he a good judge?

If you don't help help yourself, you have no hope.....

As far as laws go, those "laws" included rape and murder, so now, jury aside, if the judge frees you, is he a "good" judge?

Originally Posted by prcabr4christ

As far as laws go, those "laws" included rape and murder, so now, jury aside, if the judge frees you, is he a "good" judge?

Laws are made by men, not imaginary supernatural beings. The community of men in which I live determines the laws. If the judge metes out punishment according to those laws, he is deemed a good judge by the community, because he is acting in accordance with the wishes of the community he serves.

Do I think some laws are immoral? Sure. But I'd not condemn a judge for enforcing them while they are on the books.

Originally Posted by Old Padawan

Has anyone else noticed the similarity between devout Christians (by devout I mean those who would rank god above all including family and country) and democrats?

First they want you to surrender yourself to someone who knows what’s best for you and relieve you of the toils of self-responsibility.
Second when you ask a difficult question, they either ignore it or answer it with platitudes. Don’t question gods plan. Don’t question Obamas plan. Just trust that both have one and they know what’s good for you.

In a set of laws that are written and enforced by those following a superstition, it is impossible for those that don’t believe in the same thing to be treated fairly. I don’t believe in your god and yet I am still to be punished for damning and striking my drunken father?
I don’t believe in your god and in a land of the truly free, people should not be bound to a god’s laws/rules/judgment.
History has shown that when Christianity has too much power that the men wielding that power abuse it. It should be noted the same is true with all religions that have power over man.

Keep superstitious beliefs out of our laws.

CLAP TRAP. Let me correct your errors here OP.

Has anyone else noticed the similarity between devout Christians (by devout I mean those who would rank god above all including family and country) and conservatives?
First they want you to surrender yourself to someone who knows what’s best for you and relieve you of the toils of self-responsibility.
Second when you ask a difficult question, they either ignore it or answer it with platitudes. Don’t question gods plan. Don’t question McCain's plan. Just trust that both have one and they know what’s good for you

In a set of laws that are written and enforced by those following a superstition, it is impossible for those that don’t believe in the same thing to be treated fairly. I don’t believe in your god and yet I am still to be punished for damning and striking my drunken father?
I don’t believe in your god and in a land of the truly free, people should not be bound to a god’s laws/rules/judgment.
History has shown that when Christianity (ANYTHING) has too much power that the men wielding that power abuse it. It should be noted the same is true with all religions that have power over man.

Keep superstitious beliefs out of our laws

Please answer for me? WHO is it (political party wise) that the "Religeous Right" (or devout as i think you called them) supports?

Sorry, You can't have it both ways. You can't say "keep YOUR superstitions out of our laws, then supersticiously use those "ideals" you are...ridiculing... to support YOUR beliefs.

How about just keeping religion out of politics altogether? Sounds great. Any idea how?

I keep watching and waiting but none of you seem to want to give up the secret of what caliber rock David used to slay Goliath.



From what I have read though, I expect some of us may be living in the Tropics before to many years.

Enjoy

First of all, congratulations on the first effective use of the phrase "Clap-Trap" in my presence.

I shall counter with a resounding POPPYCOCK.

I thought it to be generally accepted (and recent history shows) that Liberals believe that by creating laws, they can protect us from ourselves and all around us. It doesn’t seem to matter that these laws restrict our individual liberties.

Conservatives however believe in individual rights and liberties.

From today’s Patriot Post:
Essentially, conservatives, as the root word implies, strive to conserve the principles outlined in our Constitution, and our vision for America requires robust support for individual liberty, the restoration of constitutional limits on government and the judiciary, and the promotion of free enterprise, national defense and traditional Judeo-Christian Values.
On the other hand, the Left one, liberals, as the root word implies, aspire to liberate the nation from its founding tenets by promoting a “Living Constitution,” as a primary tool for constricting individual liberty, expanding the power of government, regulating all manner of enterprise, gutting national defense and advocating relativism.

My comment re self-considered and media appointed President Elect Obama was his message of change. He has no real plan for the change, but he promises he will be the facilitator of said change. This message is given despite his voting record and earmarks taken showing him to be a Liberal Democrat similar to those surrounding him and preceding him.
I guess we are to believe if elected he will change and then he will change politics. We can trust him, he has after all kept all of his campaign promises to date… Hasn’t he?

McCain is different. I will not vote for him. He has trampled my first amendment rights and will never have my support. He is not however a Conservative Republican. He is not running on a platform of “change”. He does not do business as usual. You can’t count on him to act as either a liberal or a conservative.

I absolutely agree that any entity holding to much power will abuse it. Considering someone espousing Christian rules and how they should be applied to our courts/justice system started the thread, the Christian comment was appropriate.

Originally Posted by TOF

I keep watching and waiting but none of you seem to want to give up the secret of what caliber rock David used to slay Goliath.



From what I have read though, I expect some of us may be living in the Tropics before to many years.

Enjoy

Don’t be silly; everyone knows it not the caliber of the rock that matters, but the velocity…