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    Is it me?

    I am by no means bragging as I don't concider myself a great marksman BUT! Most of the people I run in to at the range can't hit the broad side of a large barn. I mean it's embarrassing. Most of the guys at my NRA pistol class weren't very good either. This guy I ran in to last Sunday was all over the target with his Para 1911. I pick it up thinking it ain't all that accurate and shoot a nice 2" group. I'd never pull the trigger on a 1911 in my life. Some other guys are there trying to knock some 4"x4"x10" blocks of wood off the top of the target stand at 25 yards and I think they hit twice in 150 rounds. Is it just the crowd I attract or is this normal?

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    Sad to say normal. Since my eyes have started to go to pots I sure can't shoot like I use to. A lot of these folks have never had a lesson or even had someone show them how to hold a gun. Look at their grip and stance. That's a dead give away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baldy View Post
    Sad to say normal. Since my eyes have started to go to pots I sure can't shoot like I use to. A lot of these folks have never had a lesson or even had someone show them how to hold a gun. Look at their grip and stance. That's a dead give away.
    Have you had a good doc look at your eyes? I went in for new glasses a few years back and was told I had cataracts glasses weren't the problem. Anyway two surgeries later I was seeing 20/15 with glasses. There were some trade offs but it is a hell of a lot better than what I had.

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    It is my understandings that Cataracts have to "Ripen" before they can be fixed. Mine are not far enough along so I have been told.


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    I got a eye appointment coming up in a week or so. Have to wait tell then.

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    The sad truth is that most gun owners can't shoot worth a damn. Most of them think they shoot a lot better than they actually do, and most have absolutely no idea what good shooting really looks like.
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    I think it's typical and probably has a lot to do with ego. Just like a lot of guys get the biggest gun they can, a lot of guys put the target back as far as they can. At most of the ranges that I've been to the guys all seem to push their targets out to the 25 yard line and have at it; I think the average absolute minimum I usually see is 12-15 yards. They don't seem to hit very often, but on the bright side, they save a ton of money on targets.

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    Shooters are like golfers...

    I talk to a lot of guys who claim they can "hit a golf ball 300yds, dead straight, every time". I'd guess a lot of gun-owners can "double-tap a guys forehead at 25yds"... just like the golfers.

    I can't count 2 guys I've played golf with in a year that can hit a golf ball her than 275 regularly, and most hit it closer to 220 with a driver. I've been playing since age 6, have a 4.0 handicap, and hit it about 275... and I can still find it 90% of the time.

    I can't remember seeing more than 4-5 guys who can shoot 3-4" groups SLOW fire at 7yds at the range. Hell, my Fiance, Carla, who shoots once every other month shoots tighter groups than most of the guys I've seen! I TAUGHT her sight picture, trigger pull, and recoil control.

    No... It's not just you.


    That reminds me!!! What happened to the forum shooting contests! lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by JeffWard View Post
    Shooters are like golfers...

    I talk to a lot of guys who claim they can "hit a golf ball 300yds, dead straight, every time". I'd guess a lot of gun-owners can "double-tap a guys forehead at 25yds"... just like the golfers.

    I can't count 2 guys I've played golf with in a year that can hit a golf ball her than 275 regularly, and most hit it closer to 220 with a driver. I've been playing since age 6, have a 4.0 handicap, and hit it about 275... and I can still find it 90% of the time.

    I can't remember seeing more than 4-5 guys who can shoot 3-4" groups SLOW fire at 7yds at the range. Hell, my Fiance, Carla, who shoots once every other month shoots tighter groups than most of the guys I've seen! I TAUGHT her sight picture, trigger pull, and recoil control.

    No... It's not just you.


    That reminds me!!! What happened to the forum shooting contests! lol

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    Wow, I am RIGHT with you on this one Jeff. I'm by no means a great golfer, but I absolutely love the sport and have no problems being honest about my game. There's nothing more irritating than people who lie about how good they are in any sport, especially golf. There's no reason to lie, especially when we're gonna be playing a round together the next morning That's a great comparison to the sport of shooting. It happens all the time out here as well, these people can't hit crap. There are the occasional great shooters that show up and you know it right away just by how they handle their weapon, before they even fire off a shot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gmaske View Post
    I am by no means bragging as I don't concider myself a great marksman BUT! Most of the people I run in to at the range can't hit the broad side of a large barn. I mean it's embarrassing. Most of the guys at my NRA pistol class weren't very good either. This guy I ran in to last Sunday was all over the target with his Para 1911. I pick it up thinking it ain't all that accurate and shoot a nice 2" group. I'd never pull the trigger on a 1911 in my life. Some other guys are there trying to knock some 4"x4"x10" blocks of wood off the top of the target stand at 25 yards and I think they hit twice in 150 rounds. Is it just the crowd I attract or is this normal?
    7-11 clerks across the country are breathing a sigh of relief.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TOF View Post
    It is my understandings that Cataracts have to "Ripen" before they can be fixed. Mine are not far enough along so I have been told.

    Well when it can't be corrected and you can't hardly read the house numbers in an avarage neighborhood it's time to do something. I wasn't blind and could still see good enough to drive. I most likely wouldn't have passsed the eye exam at the drivers licence renewal. The first operation scared the hell out of me but I'm glad it's done. I was in my late 40's when I had it done. As far as ripening I'd be interested in the reason why you would want or have to put up with it. It's nice to see things crisp and clear again that's for sure. It has been at least 5 years now since I had it done.

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    As to my shooting technique I don't know if it's right or wrong. Over the years I've tried to incorporate anything that I learn from other shooters like you guys or someone at the range that is better than me. Currently I have shifted from trying to make small little groups to trying to acheive a quick sight picture and a rapped shot. Not going so much for speed for speeds sake but in the end I guess that's the point. As soon as I'm in the black and the sights are lined up pretty close the gun goes off. If I keep the whole mag on an 8.5x11 piece of paper that's what I want. Most times it's a fairly nice 4.5 or 5 inch cluster with a few flyers. If I ever have to use the gun for its intended purpose I don't want to have to tell the BG to hold still while I get it just right on the third button from the top on his shirt.

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    Right Gmaske, and JW.

    Gmaske, it sounds like most of the guys at your range are also having to tell the BG to hold still while they re-load since they missed with the first 15.

    JW, the analogy with golf is so true. With all the technology and what not, the average golf score is still 100. A single digit index is in the top 1% of all golfers. I would imagine the top shooters are like the tour players - light years better than even the scratch golfer. And unless you truly are in the top 1% it is hard to comprehend just how good the best are.

    I hadn't noticed that shooters are that off the mark as a population. It makes me feel much better about my abilities, at least I keep it on the paper.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JeffWard View Post
    Shooters are like golfers...

    I talk to a lot of guys who claim they can "hit a golf ball 300yds, dead straight, every time". I'd guess a lot of gun-owners can "double-tap a guys forehead at 25yds"... just like the golfers.

    I can't count 2 guys I've played golf with in a year that can hit a golf ball her than 275 regularly, and most hit it closer to 220 with a driver. I've been playing since age 6, have a 4.0 handicap, and hit it about 275... and I can still find it 90% of the time.

    I can't remember seeing more than 4-5 guys who can shoot 3-4" groups SLOW fire at 7yds at the range. Hell, my Fiance, Carla, who shoots once every other month shoots tighter groups than most of the guys I've seen! I TAUGHT her sight picture, trigger pull, and recoil control.

    No... It's not just you.


    That reminds me!!! What happened to the forum shooting contests! lol

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    You are right on here jeff. And of course practice counts--in both.
    I however hit a golf ball about 275 alos. 100 -125 straight out, and the rest at a 90degree angle to the right.
    Luckily i seem to do better with a gun. Maybe i should use a gun at the golf course?

    Ooh , forum shooting contest? an excuse to burn up ammo without the wife rolling her eyes?.....

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