Synopsizes CNS News:
“Expelled” calls attention to the plight of highly credentialed scholars who have been forced out of prestigious academic positions because they proposed Intelligent Design as a possible alternative to Charles Darwin’s 150-year-old theories about the origins of life. Instead of entertaining a debate on the merits of competing theories, the scientific establishment has moved to suppress the ID movement in a “systematic and ruthless” way at odds with America’s founding principles, the film asserts.
Liberals have been going ape about “Expelled” for months as it has been screened around the country.
If liberials hate it then it must be good.
OK now I got to see this. I'll be honest I pay no attention to what comes out of Hollyweird and haven't for years. I see one movie about every two years and that's with my grand daughter.
Both sides are doing the same thing to the other. At least extremists on it. They both want both sides done away with. I'll be honest, I don't care if they teach both. And I'll probably be trout slapped, but I do fall along the Darwinian lines. If they want to teach both and let people choose, that's cool.
"bing bang boom! hair out...hamburger time" - William Murderface
In other words, the government keeps its hands off religion, neither pushing it nor prohibiting it. Since Creationism and Intelligent Design posit a supernatural being as the maker of all things, they are clearly religious. Since we're mainly talking about public schools, I think there's room for debate about teaching ID as an alternative to widely-accepted science. I honestly do not know how specific ID is in terms of suggesting a specific god made everything, so I don't know that it can be termed "a" religion. But it is clearly a religious belief system.
I briefly listened to Sean Hannity try to explain his belief in Creationism/ID yesterday. He made no scientific sense, and just railed on about totally subjective things like beauty of sunsets and the ocean.
But then again, I'm one of those evil atheists that Ben Stein warned you about.
Wanna join my Darwinist Libertarian Party?
Damn, I knew I liked you...
It's funny how the ID crowd cannot believe that one species, man, could evolve into what it is, while others have just languished... And yet the whole basis of evolution is not RANDOM evolution at all, but evolution through survival of the most evolved random offspring. Therefore, random "improvements" survive, and random "deficiencies" perish. If you get lucky 3 or 4 times instead of once, your species VAULTS ahead when the math is done... Man has also simply been the first species to implement rudimentary technology. Technology bread greater technology... and we've seen what technology (nutrition, medicine, etc) has done to evolution... How tall are your children compared to your grand parents??? Is "God" making our children taller each generation? Is "God" putting laptops into the elementary schools?
Good night all...
JeffWard - Shaved Ape...
What I have a hard time with is the beginning of it all. With me, as a Christian, itís easy: God created it all. I think evolutionist have much more faith than any creationist because they believe that something started from nothing. Thatís faith! Nothing plus nothing is...nothing.
Hasn't it occurred to anyone that evolution theory and creationism aren't mutually exclusive? If there is a God, he could, and probably is smart enough to, allow us to evolve to best live in our current environment.
If religion is to be taught, all religion has to be taught. Your child will be taught Christianity, Wicca, Judaism, Islam, Satanism, Asatru, Hinduism, Cabala, Scientology,. Those are just off the top of my head. No religion can be excluded.
"Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it." -Mark Twain
I am not super religious, but I do believe there is a God, and I believe He created man and the creatures. I have a hard time believing that human beings and animals, as complex as we/they are, are a random mutation staring off from some one celled creature. I do however believe that creatures have evolved from the original design to best live in their environments.
I think the problem lies in when they teach Darwinism as the one and only option instead of a possible option.
Jeff, I want a picture of Mike shooting your XD.
Intelligent Design could be taught in certain types of courses......comparative religion......philosophy....etc.....but; It cannot be taught in a science class.....period.
It's not science. It makes no predictions and it is not falsifiable. Both of those conditions MUST be met in order to Qualify as science.
You are free to believe it if you want......but you can't teach it in a science class.
That movie is a travesty beyond my ability to communicate it......Ben has fallen off his rocker.
One is based on scientific evidence and the other is based on faith.
While it is certainly true there may be a God and that He/She/It could be responsible for creating the mechanisms for evolution, there is simply no way to prove that in a scientific manner. Again, one is science the other is faith; might not make them mutually exclusive, but there is also no way to combine them, at least not in a science class.