Thread: Islam

You ask the impossible Baldy.

You and I are awake, I just hope enough others are.

Amazing, simply amazing.

There are times I am glad I am old and nearing the end of life. I don't think I have another fight in me.

For my children's children, I do hope that others have the spirit to win the strugle.

Originally Posted by Baldy

Now somebody explain to me how this can be called the religion of peace after veiwing this. http://fitna.net/

Wake up America.

It's been replaced... also due to death threats LiveLeak has removed the movie link as well.

Freedom of speech has no meaning or value in the Islamic world...

Translation: Acceptable collateral damage.

Incredible.

I thought it would get the axe. Lasted about 20hrs is all.

The movie was very disturbing, but it's removal from view is damn scary.

Maybe one more fight

Everybody thinks by giving in to these idiots they will go away. Some say lets sit down and talk to them. How do you talk to all these different sects. They have a common goal and that is to kill everybody who doesn't beleive like them. We sure can't keep going on like we are.
Wake up America!

Originally Posted by Baldy

They have a common goal and that is to kill everybody who doesn't beleive like them.

The familiarity of this truth is chilling. I did not appreciate the importance of world history as a child, or the truth in the statement "When history is forgotten we are doomed to repeat it". Should we have given Hitler and his army any concessions because they had a "belief" and all belief systems must be respected equally? Hell NO.

My gut wants to ask "Why are we pussyfooting around this world issue? Why don't we aggressively pursue and stop "these people" like we (we being the GG's of the world) did the Germans when we learned the holocaust was happening". I have to believe it's just easier said than done or it would be done by now. I hate to say it but it really is true... Can't we all just get along? Why not? And if not then can't we all just agree to disagree and not go killing people who disagree with us? WTF is this world coming to? We have come so far as a species, where is the breakdown? Why do people want to kill people who believe something else about what happens after you die? And just what EXACTLY are we threatening by not being Muslim? Why do they CARE??? And how on earth can they convince themselves that their GOD thinks it's OK and will reward them for taking the lives of those who believe something else.

Ben,

Their "GOD" is the same one the Western World claims. In fact, that is the root of the problem.

I wish I were more knowledgeable about so many things. What would all of these violent criminals against humanity have to say if we rounded them all up and said "Guys, your beliefs are different than ours and our God says we have to kill you now. You all get over here so we can cut your heads off and celebrate because we are making God happy."

I don't understand what it is in some people that motivate them to hurt other people. I am grateful that my parents raised me to respect and care for my fellow human beings, but I don't think that's the only reason I am a decent human being. I just don't get it. My wife had crimes perpetrated against her as a child that were known but ignored by her family. I don't understand radical Islam, and I don't understand how people can just not care about other people or what happens to them, ESPECIALLY FAMILY!?!

I'm tired, I need to stop for now...

It always amazes me how ignorant some people can be. You associate a few persons views on a religion with that of the entire group. It's no different than saying Americans are war-mongering idiots based on our current regime. Take the time to actually understand what is being said instead of twisting it to your liking. The article even says that originally these words had very different meanings within the religion. It was a few individuals that have created this warped interpretation.

Unfortunately, almost all religion is based on the idea that you should follow and ask no questions. Look how many people Christianity has killed over the years in defense of the "true belief". Anyone that claims their religion is absolutely the ONLY one is just plain ignorant. At least accept that others from different cultures, who believe in a different religion, still deserve the same respect that you would grant them if they drank the same Koolaid as you do. Otherwise you're no different than those that you rant against.

Originally Posted by cvillechopper

It always amazes me how ignorant some people can be. You associate a few persons views on a religion with that of the entire group. It's no different than saying Americans are war-mongering idiots based on our current regime. Take the time to actually understand what is being said instead of twisting it to your liking. The article even says that originally these words had very different meanings within the religion. It was a few individuals that have created this warped interpretation.

Unfortunately, almost all religion is based on the idea that you should follow and ask no questions. Look how many people Christianity has killed over the years in defense of the "true belief". Anyone that claims their religion is absolutely the ONLY one is just plain ignorant. At least accept that others from different cultures, who believe in a different religion, still deserve the same respect that you would grant them if they drank the same Koolaid as you do. Otherwise you're no different than those that you rant against.

Well, then call me ignorant.

As a born-again Christian I know without a doubt, that Christianity is the only true religion. I will not accept any other religion. I know many here believe other things or do not believe at all. Hey, that's up to whom ever and I'm not here to judge because my judgment has no impact.

I will not fall into the trap of accepting Islam. To accept another religion is to deny mine and I certainly will not deny Christ.

I’ll force myself to stop here before this is closed.

Originally Posted by cvillechopper

It always amazes me how ignorant some people can be. You associate a few persons views on a religion with that of the entire group. It's no different than saying Americans are war-mongering idiots based on our current regime. Take the time to actually understand what is being said instead of twisting it to your liking. The article even says that originally these words had very different meanings within the religion. It was a few individuals that have created this warped interpretation.

Unfortunately, almost all religion is based on the idea that you should follow and ask no questions. Look how many people Christianity has killed over the years in defense of the "true belief". Anyone that claims their religion is absolutely the ONLY one is just plain ignorant. At least accept that others from different cultures, who believe in a different religion, still deserve the same respect that you would grant them if they drank the same Koolaid as you do. Otherwise you're no different than those that you rant against.

I never made any generalized statements about an entire group. I am only referring to the ones who see fit to kill those who believe different. I don't know how many people have been killed by what religion but none are more justified than any other. I am NOT ignorant and I do warmly and graciously accept people from other cultures and religions. I am not a Christian, or Mormon, or Muslim, or Jewish or any other. I have a hard time believing that any one religion is the right one and all those who believe different are damned to hell, but I certainly don't think anyone is ignorant for believing their God is the One True God. It's a belief which is every human beings right to have. Personally I believe the whole concept of religion is a social device that gives people a reason to live and for the most part a reason to be moral and civil to one another, was born from this need and helps explain some things we just don't understand. The only ones who I think are ignorant are those who think murder in the name of their God is justifiable. Oh yeah, and those who half-read posts and start calling people ignorant because they misread between the lines.

Reread my post and take note that I refer to "violent criminals", NOT any particular group, religious or otherwise, donkey.

There's about three U-tube video's at this link and one is Fitna in two parts. Go there a and view them and then come back and we'll talke about the religion of peace.

Originally Posted by tnoisaw

...As a born-again Christian I know without a doubt, that Christianity is the only true religion...

OK, that's your religion. Fine.
But would you require me to convert to your religion, and kill me if I refuse?
That's Islam's general point of view.
Of course, it also was Christianity's point of view from around 900 AD through about 1600 AD, and Judaism's point of view from long before we learned to count centuries of time until almost 50 BC.
Judaism and Christianity learned, in time, that the "convert or die" ethic doesn't accomplish the desired end. Islam will eventually learn this as well.
After all, Islam came into being about 600 years after Christianity, so the Moslem world still has a lot to learn.
Kill the bad ones, educate the good ones, and give them a little time to catch up.

Originally Posted by tnoisaw

Well, then call me ignorant.

As a born-again Christian I know without a doubt, that Christianity is the only true religion. I will not accept any other religion. I know many here believe other things or do not believe at all. Hey, that's up to whom ever and I'm not here to judge because my judgment has no impact.

I will not fall into the trap of accepting Islam. To accept another religion is to deny mine and I certainly will not deny Christ.

I’ll force myself to stop here before this is closed.

Nazis were Christians. The spanish were Christians when they tortured thousands during the inquisition.

Based on the broad generalization in this thread, am I to assume you torture people and kill Jews and homosexuals?

Originally Posted by PanaDP

Nazis were Christians. The spanish were Christians when they tortured thousands during the inquisition...

I don't think that I could characterize Nazi Party functionaries as "Christians." Merely going to church does not a Christian make (e.g., Pastor Jeremiah Wright).
The Spanish of the Inquisition were indeed fervid Catholics, and the Inquisition fits within the dates I postulated (900—1600 AD) for the Christian "join or die" movement.
The fact that Tony characterizes himself as a Christian does not make him a bigot, a neo-Nazi, or an incipient Inquisitor. He has not said that we are required to agree with his faith, or that we are required to practice it.

The point I've been trying to make is that religions, like the people who practice them (Tony, for example) change and "grow up."
Other religions have gone through the "join or die" phase too, so we must show some understanding, exercise some control, and help guide Islam in the civilizing direction.

Here is a fresh link to the video for any that have not had the opportunity to see the enemy.

http://www.viddler.com:80/bran8464/videos/9/

Originally Posted by themayer78

I never made any generalized statements about an entire group. I am only referring to the ones who see fit to kill those who believe different. I don't know how many people have been killed by what religion but none are more justified than any other. I am NOT ignorant and I do warmly and graciously accept people from other cultures and religions. I am not a Christian, or Mormon, or Muslim, or Jewish or any other. I have a hard time believing that any one religion is the right one and all those who believe different are damned to hell, but I certainly don't think anyone is ignorant for believing their God is the One True God. It's a belief which is every human beings right to have. Personally I believe the whole concept of religion is a social device that gives people a reason to live and for the most part a reason to be moral and civil to one another, was born from this need and helps explain some things we just don't understand. The only ones who I think are ignorant are those who think murder in the name of their God is justifiable. Oh yeah, and those who half-read posts and start calling people ignorant because they misread between the lines.

Reread my post and take note that I refer to "violent criminals", NOT any particular group, religious or otherwise, donkey.

Funny thing is I wasn't referring to you in my post. Yours was the first one on here that wasn't pointing toward all of Islam as being the evil. Yet you wanted to take my words as an attack...

DOH! Sorry man, I didn't WANT to take it as an attack It just followed my post and I thought it was pointed at me.

God Bless America (All of Them)

Originally Posted by themayer78

MWhy don't we aggressively pursue and stop "these people" like we (we being the GG's of the world) did the Germans when we learned the holocaust was happening".

Um, good point but we didn't know about the holocaust going into WWII.

I agree that Islam is a cancer on the world...there is no such thing as a 'moderate muslim'. Try this, go to a Mosque (well, out side one, they will kill you if you see their bomb factory) and ask the first person entering, "Are you a Muslim?", "Are a moderate muslim?", "How can you be a muslim, and a so-called moderate, if the koran says you have a duty to kill all non-muslims?".

We need to stamp out Islam like we stamped out small pox. They are both wasting disease with high mortality rates.

Originally Posted by cvillechopper

It always amazes me how ignorant some people can be. You associate a few persons views on a religion with that of the entire group.

I always love that argument...

I guess it depends on your definition of what " a few" means.

Let's review...

definition of the word "Few" according to Websters =

Main Entry: 3few Function:noun, plural in construction Date:before 12th century 1 : a small number of units or individuals <a few of them> 2 : a special limited number <the discriminating f

Now... There are over 1,000,000,000 Muslims world wide... That's One Billion.

It is estimated that over 1% are "radical/extremist", 1% of 1,000,000,000 equals 1,000,000.

So let's just put this in easy to understand terms...

There are over 1,000,000 muslims that want to kill me and you. That's over One Million!!!!

That my friend is a standing army.

Let's review even more and see what just 19 muslims can do...

Originally Posted by js

I always love that argument...

I guess it depends on your definition of what " a few" means.

Let's review...

definition of the word "Few" according to Websters =

Now... There are over 1,000,000,000 Muslims world wide... That's One Billion.

It is estimated that over 1% are "radical/extremist", 1% of 1,000,000,000 equals 1,000,000.

So let's just put this in easy to understand terms...

There are over 1,000,000 muslims that want to kill me and you. That's over One Million!!!!

That my friend is a standing army.

Let's review even more and see what just 19 muslims can do...

That seems reasonable, so I'll go with your numbers. The question is this: Are the actions and beliefs of those million enough to condemn a billion people?