Thread: Islam

TOF,

The "fresh link" worked at 5:15 AM. At 5:30, the movie was removed.

Who controls the internet? Who controls information ?

Originally Posted by dourdave

TOF,

The "fresh link" worked at 5:15 AM. At 5:30, the movie was removed.

Who controls the internet? Who controls information ?

http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/020486.php

Thanks, JS

Originally Posted by Anarius

Um, good point but we didn't know about the holocaust going into WWII.

I agree that Islam is a cancer on the world...there is no such thing as a 'moderate muslim'. Try this, go to a Mosque (well, out side one, they will kill you if you see their bomb factory) and ask the first person entering, "Are you a Muslim?", "Are a moderate muslim?", "How can you be a muslim, and a so-called moderate, if the koran says you have a duty to kill all non-muslims?".

We need to stamp out Islam like we stamped out small pox. They are both wasting disease with high mortality rates.

Posts like this just plain make me sad for my children's generation. With close-mindedness like this the human race is destined to fail more quickly than I thought.

Originally Posted by js

I always love that argument...

I guess it depends on your definition of what " a few" means.

Let's review...

definition of the word "Few" according to Websters =

Now... There are over 1,000,000,000 Muslims world wide... That's One Billion.

It is estimated that over 1% are "radical/extremist", 1% of 1,000,000,000 equals 1,000,000.

So let's just put this in easy to understand terms...

There are over 1,000,000 muslims that want to kill me and you. That's over One Million!!!!

That my friend is a standing army.

Let's review even more and see what just 19 muslims can do...

1 million against the number of people on the Earth is very few. Argue as you wish but you're talking about the entire group based on actions of less than 1%.

Originally Posted by cvillechopper

1 million against the number of people on the Earth is very few. Argue as you wish but you're talking about the entire group based on actions of less than 1%.

not arguing anything... just stating facts.

I'm still waiting for the other 99% of muslims to actually do something about their internal "radical" problem.

Personally, I'm not seeing to much of that right now.... as a matter of another fact, I'm seeing...and hearing the opposite from "moderate" muslims.

www.jihadwatch.org or http://www.memritv.org/

Originally Posted by cvillechopper

the human race is destined to fail more quickly than I thought.

ever pay close attention to history...? What is happening today is no different from 5,000+ years ago. The only difference is there are more of us sharing the planet.

This guy sums it up... I couldn't have said it better myself.

http://www.dotsub.com/films/moredema...etting=en_1618

or Click Here if the link doesn't work...

He sure said it all for me.

That was fantastic!!!

It really does not matter what the theology in question might be. Killing people simply because you view them as an enemy of your theology is nothing short of insane. It was wrong for the crusaders, it is wrong for these people.

More people on this planet have been killed in the name of God (however one decides to view God) than all other possible reasons to take a life combined. This is a well known truth. But it does not make it right. If Christians were out doing these things today they would all be vilified in the media and in the hearts of anyone that would be seen as a possible target. The bottom line is that is what is going to happen to a religion that has in it's texts a reason for killing and a back door for making sure you can still get to that's religions good place.
to say that one is ignorant for believing their faith is the one true faith is more ignorant then the person they are pointing at. It's a matter of FAITH The term faith pretty much puts the faithful in a spot that it has to be. Or the faith would not be true. Pretty stupid to say to a faithful person that they are stupid for being faithful.

also, In the eyes of these people over in the mid east shooting at our young people do think that all Americans are war mongering evil people. They broadcast all the time and ask all of their faithful to kill any and all American Infidels. Are they stupid for being faithful? No. They are stupid for listening to people wanting to kill people in the name of their God. as stupid as any other group of people wanting to do the same. sure, All Muslims are not wanting to kill every American..But a lot are. And they are willing to kill their own to see their goal is made. and they are not good people. And they wonder why there are war mongering Americans looking to kill them off

Originally Posted by cvillechopper

Posts like this just plain make me sad for my children's generation. With close-mindedness like this the human race is destined to fail more quickly than I thought.

It’s the politically correct, open minded people that have got us into this mess by accepting the garbage that Islam puts out and allowing them to dictate what will be done by the majority at the will of a minority. Umm, I’ve heard this before. Oh ya, Federalist Paper No: 10.

Political correctness is the cancer to society as well as Islam. Why defend a religion who’s goal is to murder you if you don’t commit to their religion? Islam is the ONLY religion I know of that does this. Though many so called Christian leaders are sometimes a little out there I don’t hear them calling for a holy jihad in the name of Jesus. I also do not hear of Christians or people of other religions, murdering people in the name of their religion. I haven’t heard that from Buddhists or Mormons or whom ever. It’s only Muslims.

If a child molester befriended my daughter I would not be ok with that because I should be nice to him because it’s the politically correct thing to do. Hell no! I’d watch him like a hawk and tell him to get the hell away from my child if he came close. And yes, putting a child molester in the same category as a Muslim was not a mistake. At least child molesters are not murdering thousands of people for their cause.

Oh..Liked the Brit vid..heh..well said

I'm gonna have to side with cvillechopper on this one...

Originally Posted by js

It is estimated that over 1% are "radical/extremist"

With that logic, should we judge all catholics by the actions of the IRA and quotes taken from some Irish Priests?

What scares me the most is these kind of generalizations were used to justify internment of americans of Japanese ancestry during WWII. Some of whom went on to fight in WWII for the US in Nisei units in Europe.

19 terrorists were responsible for the World Trade Center bombing. The fact that they shared the muslim faith is as relevant as the fact that Tim McVeigh and Terry Nichols were rednecks. Go after the people and organization that supports crime, be it Al Quaida, Taliban, Saudi Royal Family, Crips, Bloods, Mafia, etc.

Believe what you want, freedom of religion, freedom of speech are good things. The moment you hurt others so you can feel better about yourself, you become the bad guy and should be put down. The excuse for the bad behavior is completely irrelevant.

Originally Posted by js

I'm still waiting for the other 99% of muslims to actually do something about their internal "radical" problem.

How about an example of Pro-US muslims?

Kurds are muslim. Kurdish Peshmurga militia fought alongside coalition forces againt Saddam in Gulf War II. Kurdistan-Iraq (n.Iraq) is pro-US . After centuries of persecution by Jordanians, Syrians and Iranians, the Kurds have been doing well in keeping insurgents in line in their area. In fact, less than 100 US troops are officially stationed in Kurd regions.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/...n2486679.shtml

Shortly after Gulf War I, hoping to get US support, there was a popular uprising of Iraqi Kurds against Saddam. Saddam gassed them for their trouble.

Originally Posted by submoa

With that logic, should we judge all catholics by the actions of the IRA and quotes taken from some Irish Priests?

It's not my logic... It's an estimate from terrorism experts who know a little more about the issue than little ole' me.

Al Quaida, Taliban, Saudi Royal Family

and what is the one thing that binds them all together...?

Originally Posted by submoa

How about an example of Pro-US muslims?

Kurds are muslim. Kurdish Peshmurga militia fought alongside coalition forces againt Saddam in Gulf War II. Kurdistan-Iraq (n.Iraq) is pro-US . After centuries of persecution by Jordanians, Syrians and Iranians, the Kurds have been doing well in keeping insurgents in line in their area. In fact, less than 100 US troops are officially stationed in Kurd regions.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/...n2486679.shtml

Shortly after Gulf War I, hoping to get US support, there was a popular uprising of Iraqi Kurds against Saddam. Saddam gassed them for their trouble.

There is no denying that... But, it sure would be nice if the other 99.99999999998% would step up to the plate as well.

Originally Posted by js

There is no denying that... But, it sure would be nice if the other 99.99999999998% would step up to the plate as well.

+1

Originally Posted by js

and what is the one thing that binds them all together...?

Al Quaida is a unified terroist cabal funded by Wahhibist Saudis.
Taliban are a Pashtun nationalist party comprised mainly of graduates of Madrasah schools funded by Wahhibist Saudis.
Saudi Royal Family support Wahhibism politically and financially.

The one thing that binds them all together is US dollars paid to the Saudi Royal Family for oil.


http://www.hermes-press.com/BushSaud.htm
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines01/1211-05.htm

Trying to say that it is Islam binds them together is as relevant as saying Branch Davidians and Born Again Christians are unified by their Christianity.

Originally Posted by js

There is no denying that... But, it sure would be nice if the other 99.99999999998% would step up to the plate as well.

The majority of Malaysia is moslem and Islam is the official religion. Since independence, Malaysia has been fighting an ongoing guerrilla war against Communist insurgents.

Indonesia is a muslim country too. The Indonesian government has been documented in the news as working with US intelligence to wipe out the Al Quaida cells in their country.

So lets see:

1 million terrorist/bad guys

5.5 million Iraqi Kurds
25 million Malays
235 million Indonesians

According to your 1 billion moslem estimate, over 25% have stepped up to the plate to fight terrorism without doing much research and without including Pakistan.

I guess we can wait and give them time to grow out of it...How old is this faith again?

Watching events around the world the last 20+ years with people burning effigies of American leaders, our Flags etc it sure looks to me like a lot of people hating us to the point that they want to demonstrate their hatred by killing stuffed likenesses of us. Just how many Americans have to die on our land as well as around the world before people say enough. How many videos will websites and newscasts with people having their heads removed in a way that is the most possible painful way, allow them to live longer while hurting. How proud are these people that wear masks to do these things then cry foul because they are hunted. Why hide in a crowd of people that "statistically" don't believe you are doing the right thing then say you are bad for having to go to every door in the land

The rules of the game are handed down by those that start the fight. I really don't want to hear cries of foul from people that allow the problem to exist. These good Muslims need to rise up and take care of this problem that is tearing their homelands and faith apart. Their own non support for this situation causes people like myself to think that they might not be in as much a disagreement as they say.

I'll just let her explain... I'm quite sure she knows much more about what's going on with Islam than any of us on this thread.


Wafa Sultan





and what has happened to this brave woman... This news story was just released today. http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Ne...sh.aspx/144165

(IsraelNN.com) Dr. Wafa Sultan has been forced to go into hiding with her family following a fatwa (religious edict) from an Islamic scholar, according to Omedia. Sultan faces the fatwa following a recent debate on Al-Jazeera in which she challenged Egyptian Islamist Talat Rheim over Dutch cartoons of Mohammed, who Muslims revere as a prophet. Sultan argued that Denmark had the right to print the cartoons.

Sultan joins a growing list of public critics of radical Islam facing death threats. Her supporters have asked the American public to join them in writing to the embassy of Qatar, the country which sponsors Al-Jazeera, as well as to United States President George Bush and Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, asking them to defend Sultan’s right to free speech and personal safety.

I think I've made my point...

for those who choose to keep there heads buried in the sand (no pun untended) feel free to continue.

First off, thanks cvillechopper for backing up MY religion. I am a born and raised Texan, and a muslim. I can't believe how uneducated and misinformed a lot of the nation is. This is why almost all of the world hates America.

If you actually go and read a translated version of the Koran you will see that the way all of these extremist are acting isn't the way that we are taught to act. We are supposed to allow any religion worship god in any shape or form that they want. God said that as long as they are worshiping me in one way or another let it be.

Should I call all Christians crazy because of what happened in Waco with David Koresh? Is that fair to all the other Christians?

I mean get off your ass and go and read something before you start making stupid comment. You are just hurting your children by being this ignorant because you are passing that on to them.

Out of 50% of kids from the ages 18-24 that where surveyed couldn't point out the Pacific ocean on a map. Another 50% couldn't even point out New York on a map.

Instead of making these stupid comments on the net, why don't you and your kids go and pick up some books and get a little cultured.

It's sad that I just registered on this forum and this is what I get greeted with.

Originally Posted by P89Jeeper

First off, thanks cvillechopper for backing up MY religion. I am a born and raised Texan, and a muslim. I can't believe how uneducated and misinformed a lot of the nation is. This is why almost all of the world hates America.

Well, then start educating us... I have some questions...


Why has Wafa Sultan gone into hiding....?

What can you do... as a "good" muslim do to stop the radicals that have hijacked your religion?

What is "jihad" and why has it been waged against the West...?

When someone releases a cartoon of Mohammad, why do muslims riot, kill, burn down churches and buildings...?

Do you, as a muslim, believe that Israel has the right to exsist...?

What is an "Honor Killing"...?

Originally Posted by js

Well, then start educating us...


Why has Wafa Sultan gone into hiding....?

What can you do... as a "good" muslim do to stop the radicals that have hijacked your religion?

What is "jihad" and why has it been waged against the West...?

When someone releases a cartoon of Mohammad, why do muslims riot, kill, burn down churches and buildings...?

Sultan isn't even a Muslim, and she is hiding because she is scared of the extremist.

I don't know why you have to put good into quotes, but as yall stated in some post earlier on, what am I supposed to do against 1,000,000 people? I can't do anything for them, and if I could, I would disposed of them all. The only thing that can be done is try to educate the ones that will listen

Jihad is an Islamic term, is a religious duty of Muslims. In Arabic, Jihad means "strive" or "struggle". Jihad appears frequently in the Qur'an and common usage as the idiomatic expression "striving in the way of Allah. A person engaged in jihad is called a mujahid, the plural is mujahideen.

A minority among the Sunni scholars sometimes refer to this Islamic duty as the sixth pillar of Islam, though it occupies no such official status. In Twelver Shi'a Islam, however, Jihad is one of the 10 Practices of the Religion.

According to scholar John Esposito, Jihad requires Muslims to "struggle in the way of God" or "to struggle to improve one's self and/or society." Jihad is directed against the devil's inducements, aspects of one's own self, or against a visible enemy.

Again the cartoon thing. This is the extremist. We aren't taught to be violent people. That is again the children of ignorant people that have been taught things that have been twisted and not really in the faith.

Of course they have a right to exsist. They are people and they have the right to worship god in anyway that they feel fit.

There isn't a such thing as an Honor killing. Any killing is a sin.

He is a racist, homophobic, antisemitic, so no, I don't agree with anything he says.