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    Hillary or Obama

    OK since it looks like McCain is going to win the republican primary, should we cross over and vote in the democratic primary to help choose his opposition? Who would you like to see running against him?

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    I'd prefer Sen. Clinton to Sen. Obama, based on their overall positions. She is very slightly more moderate than he, though both are quite liberal. However, I do think Obama would bring some measure of civility to politics, while Clinton would bring the very opposite.

    However, since AZ already had its primary (from which I abstained), and since I have no plan to vote for any of the three candidates mentioned, I won't be switching my affiliation to Democrat. I will very likely switch to Independent when I get home, though, since a party that nominates Sen. McCain can no longer be my political home.
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    should we cross over and vote in the democratic primary to help choose his opposition?
    Personally I think we should drop to our knees and pray to God for the future of this great nation. Divine assistance is what it's going to take to turn the tide IMO.

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    Tweedle-dee or tweedle-dum? Some choices.

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    I think that Hillary is a much tougher opponent for Senator McCain. In most polls, she would win the general election over him. Obama is riding a huge wave but McCain has too much experience for Obama. McCain is also a pretty moderate guy so he can sway the swing voters who want change. Also, I think if Hillary wins the nomination, Obama would be the VP choice and he would accept making it a very tough ticket for republicans to beat. If Obama gets the nod, I don't think Clinton will go on the VP ballot, thus leaving him out there alone or with Edwards but I think McCain can win that battle.

    Republicans should be praying for Obama to win the nomination.

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    Well I think Obama could do the most out of ALL of the candidates when it comes to "International Relations" (something this country could really use right now whether you can admit it or not). Clinton has more experience but Obama is one hell of a public speaker.....quite the contrast from the current office holder.

    One way or another this is going to be one of the more entertaining elections. (If your looking for any sort of silver lining). You've got an African American, a Woman and a Maverick. For better or for worse it looks like history will probably be made in this election.

    I know that 99% of this board can't stand any of the choices, but truth be told any one of them would be a major improvement compared to Bush.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fred40 View Post
    ...Clinton has more experience ...

    I Hate this retoric. I feel it is like Bill Clinton saying he has more experience giving birth because he was at Hillary's side when Chelsey was born. (Don't know if he was or not, not my point).
    She is a junior senator from NY!!!!!!!!!! (hate to admit that)

    There are only 3 people alive who can claim to have experince as president: Geroge H Bush, Bill Clinton And Geroge W Bush.

    Overall, I'm ready to write in vote for Jessie Ventura. It would be nice to have an intelligent President again

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    Hard, bad choices, but Obama thinks no one should be able to carry a conceal weapon. A 3rd Clinton presidency would be a zoo, and maybe that will keep anything of negative substance from happening. I would love to see Bill in a nice Jacalyn Kennedy red dress though for the inaguration!

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    Hard, I would love to see Bill in a nice Jacalyn Kennedy red dress though for the inaguration!
    Did ya see Rudy Julie-Annie in his!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fred40 View Post
    Clinton has more experience but Obama is one hell of a public speaker.
    Can you tell me exactly what experience she has? I know the media is struggling with her "so-called experience" as well. And regarding Obama the public speaker. Yes, he is a good public speaker, but many in history have pulled the wool over voters eyes just on that alone. Don't be fooled, just because he dresses well and speaks well. Unfortunately, IMO, I believe Bush has pissed off to many republican voters and they may jump ship.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ram Rod View Post
    Personally I think we should drop to our knees and pray to God for the future of this great nation. Divine assistance is what it's going to take to turn the tide IMO.
    Ain't that the truth!

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    We should all write in Wandering Man for president.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fred40 View Post
    Obama is one hell of a public speaker.....
    So was Adolf Hitler... What's your point...?

    Obama is an idiot with absolutely no experience, which in todays world is extremely dangerous...

    Hillary is an idiot and a marxist...

    McCain is an idiot who is really a liberal pretending to be a conservative...

    All three will raise taxes, All three want to grant amnesty to 11-30 million illegal Mexicans, All three want an open southern border with Mexico, All three want a weapons ban.

    and then there is this...

    Obama will be assassinated if he wins: Nobel winner Lessing

    STOCKHOLM (AFP) - If Barack Obama becomes the next US president he will surely be assassinated, British Nobel literature laureate Doris Lessing predicted in a newspaper interview published here Saturday.

    Obama, who is vying to become the first black president in US history, "would certainly not last long, a black man in the position of president.


    They would murder him," Lessing, 88, told the Dagens Nyheter daily.
    Lessing, who won the 2007 Nobel Literature Prize, said it might be better if Obama's Democratic rival Hillary Clinton were to succeed in her bid to become the first woman president of the United States.


    "The best thing would be if they (Clinton and Obama) were to run together. Hillary is a very sharp lady. It might be calmer if she were to win, and not Obama," she said.

    Source: http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/afp/08020...sweden_lessing
    and this is coming from someone who won the Nobel Peace prize, but then again, we all know they just give those things to just anyone...
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    I certainly hope the US has moved well beyond the racially/politically motivated assassinations of the 1960s.

    But I also have a hard time lending much credence to the pronouncements of Nobel Laureates, considering that Nobel committees have also honored such "luminaries" as Jimmy Carter, Kofi Annan, Yasser Afafat and Nelson Mandela, and in literature a long string of weirdo socialists and existentialists. (Though I concede that they have also honored Hemingway, Churchill and Solzhenitsyn for literature.)

    I am sure the run-up to this election will produce a lot of sound, fury and saber-rattling on the internet - signifying nothing, as usual. And I am sure we will see the reemergence of the awful "Charleton Heston is my President" type of bumper stickers, should the Democrats win the day. I don't think "John Sigler is my President" has quite the same ring to it, though.

    And of course we'll start seeing even more of the chest-pounding "The Day We Lose the Second Amendment Is the Day We Start the Second Revolution!" drivel. I can't quite figure out why the same people who insist we have to keep the military in Iraq to fight terrorism - to "fight them in Baghdad instead of Boston" - are so willing to turn America into their own private battlefield.

    Anyway, I've said it before and I'll say it again: the Republic has endured bad presidents in the past, and it will endure them again. There seem to be only bad choices in 2008, so I will be sitting this one out unless something changes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by niadhf View Post
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    There are only 3 people alive who can claim to have experince as president: Geroge H Bush, Bill Clinton And Geroge W Bush.
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    Ford and Reagan are no longer with us but Carter is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Barham View Post
    I certainly hope the US has moved well beyond the racially/politically motivated assassinations of the 1960s.

    But I also have a hard time lending much credence to the pronouncements of Nobel Laureates, considering that Nobel committees have also honored such "luminaries" as Jimmy Carter, Kofi Annan, Yasser Afafat and Nelson Mandela, and in literature a long string of weirdo socialists and existentialists. (Though I concede that they have also honored Hemingway, Churchill and Solzhenitsyn for literature.)

    I am sure the run-up to this election will produce a lot of sound, fury and saber-rattling on the internet - signifying nothing, as usual. And I am sure we will see the reemergence of the awful "Charleton Heston is my President" type of bumper stickers, should the Democrats win the day. I don't think "John Sigler is my President" has quite the same ring to it, though.

    And of course we'll start seeing even more of the chest-pounding "The Day We Lose the Second Amendment Is the Day We Start the Second Revolution!" drivel. I can't quite figure out why the same people who insist we have to keep the military in Iraq to fight terrorism - to "fight them in Baghdad instead of Boston" - are so willing to turn America into their own private battlefield.

    Anyway, I've said it before and I'll say it again: the Republic has endured bad presidents in the past, and it will endure them again. There seem to be only bad choices in 2008, so I will be sitting this one out unless something changes.
    You may not like any of the choices......but I still say any one of them would be an improvement over Bush. I honestly think George W. will go down in history as one of the worst Presidents we've ever had........and that's saying a lot.

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    George W. will go down in history as one of the worst Presidents we've ever had........and that's saying a lot.
    This is true!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MLB View Post
    Ford and Reagan are no longer with us but Carter is.
    DOH!!!
    I stand Corrected.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fred40 View Post
    You may not like any of the choices......but I still say any one of them would be an improvement over Bush.
    Perhaps. But since one of the three of them is going to be president anyway, they can do it without my support and the tacit approval of my vote. Not that I am deluded enough to think my one vote makes a difference, anyway, so it's more for me than for them.

    I honestly think George W. will go down in history as one of the worst Presidents we've ever had........and that's saying a lot.
    Maybe. I think we will see a big effort by the "neocon" wing of the GOP - as represented by The Weekly Standard - to rehabilitate his image as the years go by. A lot of that rehabilitation will depend on the ultimate outcomes of Afghanistan and Iraq. President Truman sent us to another war-without-end in Korea, and left office with low approval ratings, but he has subsequently been rehabilitated.
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