Yea, "several people shot." The scariest part of this is it's about 45 minutes from my hometown and I pass right by UNI on my way home from Iowa. I know several people that go there, and I've spoke with many of them and they're okay. Some messed up people. It seems as though so far there are no fatalities except for the shooter himself.

-Jeff-

Edit: Here's another link... http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/02/14/uni...ing/index.html

These school shootings are getting ridiculous. These aren't made up stories, or scripts for a movie...they're real, and they're happening more and more. While I personally feel that there are probably more students with psychological problems, depression, anxiety, and so on in high school, at the college level, there's less control from parents, teachers, and community. Yet another justification that universities should heavily reconsider their ban of deadly weapon carry.

The updated news now is 18 shot, with 5 dead including the gunman. wow

-Jeff-

Originally Posted by BeefyBeefo

The updated news now is 18 shot, with 5 dead including the gunman. wow

-Jeff-

I wonder how parents that have students in college, or especially the ones that are sending their kids to college soon feel about all this. It's pretty cut and dried. If the university you attend does not allow concealed carry, you have no way of defense in the event of an active shooter. That is, unless you carry, in which you run the risk of expulsion if ever found guilty. I really don't see the big deal in allowing legal concealed carry on campus. If you're old enough to carry, have gone through the legal procedures of obtaining your CC permit, and normally carry in a legal sense, why should that be right taken away just because you're choosing to further your education? Because you're around students? Being a 4th year student and having 30-50 year old adults in almost all of my classes, I don't see it as some little schoolyard. It's college, it's time to grow up and become an adult, and taking away our adult (and constitutional) rights doesn't make sense.

The shooting today scared the hell out of me. Some of my best friends attend that university and the phones were not working till around 5:00. Very sad stuff, 6 killed including the gunman/kid.

Honestly the conceal and carry law would help... but you forget you can't even get a handgun untill you are 21. Most college kids graduate at 22.
I think its tragic, and untill these fucking morons quit getting the glory all over the media it will continue. I am just glad my friends are ok. My prayers are with everyone who experienced this tragedy today.

That's exactly my point...by the time you're old enough and can get your CC permit, YOU'RE ABOUT TO GRADUATE. You're not some punk, immature freshman who acts like he just got out of high school. You're about to start off on your own, and just because you're finishing up your education doesn't mean you shouldn't have the right to legal carry.

After the VA shooting, I wrote a letter to the editor stating what bothered me the most. Of course the inefficacious gun-free zone was part of it, but the bigger issue was what was being "taught" to our citizens; when there is danger, run and hide. Wait for someone else to save you.

This is not what we should be teaching Americans. Evaluate, plan, act. Not run and hide.

Yep....and it's wacko's like this that only add fuel to the gun control fire.

People just don't get it.....and frankly I don't think they ever will. There are too many guns out there.....no taking them back now.

I don't think there is much argument that things would be better overall (safety wise) if there were no guns at all. Just look at Japan. Virtually no one has a firearm.......INCLUDING the bad guys. The murder rate by firearm there is almost non existent. And don't give me crap about "other means to kill". It is much harder and takes a much more determined individual to kill with a knife or club or etc......harder yet to go on a rampage with such weapons.

But that CAN'T happen here in America. Too many guns already. Not to mention our personal freedoms (which are much greater than those allowed to the Japanese).

Things would be better here if MORE people were armed.....not less. The imminent threat if a lot a citizens were armed would curtail all but the most committed wackos.......who would get mowed down before they could finish their rampage.

Better yet would be an armed citizenry who open carried.

When something like this happens and you're there to see it, it's fight or flight. And nobody can outrun a bullet.