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    I will vote for anyone running against Hillary or Obama, period.

    Obama has been endorsed by 2 people who should be "Insert Fate Here" instead of endorsing political candidates.... Louis Farrakhan and Ted Kennedy.

    It's odd though... Ron Paul is being endorsed by nut jobs and has no chance. Obama is being endorsed by nut jobs and you would think God himself is running. Of course, this explains the mindset of a liberal.

    Personally... I'm waiting for Paul Revere to be resurrected. I'm sick and tired of the crap.

    As for Obama... I'll just finish with a couple quotes from him.

    "I believe we need to renew--not roll back--this common sense gun law," Obama said. - In reference to the 1994 AWB.
    ...the passage of legal protection for the gun industry would mark an enormous setback for gun control advocates and for leaders of cities such as Chicago, who have filed suit against gun dealers and manufacturers.
    screw Obama....

    all that being said...

    screw John McCain as well, but I will vote for the lesser of 3 evils. At this point it's who's going to screw me the least.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mc2 View Post
    Changing the second ammendment is not on his agenda, but I'd gladly give up my pistols if it was.
    Are you a troll?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tnoisaw View Post
    Are you a troll?


    I was thinking along the same lines. I don't think a troll will ever admit to being a troll though.

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    I'm giving mc2 the benefit of the doubt here. I mean, not everyone who owns a gun or is interested in them is a die-hard defender of the Second Amendment. If they were, the NRA would have a lot more than four million members.

    I read his/her post more like, "I like my guns, but there are things about Senator Obama's platform that I would trade for his stance on guns." I think most people have a hierarchy of issues that are important to them, and evidently guns aren't high on mc2's list. Kinda makes me wonder why he's on a gun board, but hey, we're all about diversity, right?
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    Yeah, maybe troll was a bit harsh. To hear a member of a gun board say he'd be willing to give up his guns would be like hearing Rosie O'Donnell say she's willing to give up food; it's something I thought I'd never hear.
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    Quote Originally Posted by submoa View Post
    At the risk of being flamed, I don't like any of the current crop of candidates. I'm extremely disappointed in the 2 politcal parties for not giving us a better choice:

    Angry old man
    Rich robot (who spends over $30mil of his own money to get a 250k job?)
    Angry wife with no BJ for Hubby
    Dubious guy with terrorist name

    And none of these guys is even funny! Dubya used to be funny in a stupid kinda way, but now he's all serious and angry. The State of the Onion on Monday was boring... blah, blah, blah. The GOP hasn't had a decent candidate with a sense of humor since Bob Dole, even then it was a crazy kind of funny... referring to himself in the third person. I loved Reagan, he was funniest of them all.
    Far from flaming, I'd rather read a dissenting opinion rather than listen to a hundred parroting voices. It's even more interesting if the reasoning behind it is solid though.

    If you're choosing based on the candidate's comedic talent, bank account, choice of bedroom activities, or what their name rhymes with, perhaps sticking with voting on American Idol is better entertainment. I'm sure you have better reasons.

    Mike's 'benefit of the doubt' for MC2's post is gracious. Personally, it looks like pot-stirring to me. If we're lucky, I'm wrong and we'll have some solid arguments for Obama to consider.

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    I think this would be game over:

    Rumor - When either Clinton or Obama becomes the front runner for the Democratic ticket the other is very likely to become his/her running mate.

    Game over if that happens. They would get most of the Women voters, virtually all of the black voters and essentially all of the liberal vote to boot. I don't see ANY Republican that could stand a chance against that. So be ready.....if the see a Clinton/Obama or Obama/Clinton ticket it's over. The only thing that could save the Republicans is if you have the votes divided between Obama and Clinton......but together!........game over.

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    there is not going to be a clinton/obama or obama/clinton ticket
    it was on the news today

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    I would think that both of their egos are too big to be the running mate of the other.

    Besides Hillary already has Bill. Or is it the other way 'round?

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    To abstain from voting when the "perfect" candidate doesn't present him or herself is a serious weakness of judgement and character. It suggests to me that when a fight isn't already won, that you don't feel the need to fight it.

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    I was a bit surprised at how few people on here would even consider voting for the dems this year and then I remembered where I am. It's funny how many people look at me like I've got 3 heads when I tell them that I'm a card carrying member of the NRA and usually vote for a candidate that is not Republican.
    A system that forces you to decide between two completely unrelated issues like gun control and fiscal responsibility, women's freedom to do what they want with their body and capital punishment, etc. is very flawed.
    I'll be voting no matter who is put on the ballot but won't be able to decide which is truly the lesser of the evils until the day of the election most likely. Here's hoping one candidate starts to put something forward that I can get behind.

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    My first choice would be Ted Nugent, oh wait hes not running. OK Mike Huckabee, but I hate to say it, John McCain may be our best bet against Hillery or Obama, he is more to the left then the other GOP candidates, witch may appeal to a lot of people who are riding the fence on who to vote for. I think I'll vote for Huckabee. God help us all!

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    Quote Originally Posted by PanaDP View Post
    To abstain from voting when the "perfect" candidate doesn't present him or herself is a serious weakness of judgement and character. It suggests to me that when a fight isn't already won, that you don't feel the need to fight it.
    I would and have voted for candidates whom I did not consider "perfect," and will very probably do so in the future. However, when it comes to Senator McCain, there are just too many issues with which I disagree to cast a conscionable vote for him. I cannot abide his stances on very major things like the First Amendment, gun shows, the Fourth Amendment, global warming, and Iraq. While I could forgive a difference on guns shows and possibly global warming, the other things are deal-breakers for me.

    I could maybe, possibly hold my nose and vote for Romney, just hoping that his flip-flops have finally landed him somewhere to the right of the Democrat (but who would know for sure?). But McCain isn't just imperfect. I consider him just as bad - if not worse, since he an outright authoritarian - than the Democrats. I cannot vote for that kind of person.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cvillechopper View Post
    I was a bit surprised at how few people on here would even consider voting for the dems this year and then I remembered where I am. It's funny how many people look at me like I've got 3 heads when I tell them that I'm a card carrying member of the NRA and usually vote for a candidate that is not Republican.
    A system that forces you to decide between two completely unrelated issues like gun control and fiscal responsibility, women's freedom to do what they want with their body and capital punishment, etc. is very flawed.
    I'll be voting no matter who is put on the ballot but won't be able to decide which is truly the lesser of the evils until the day of the election most likely. Here's hoping one candidate starts to put something forward that I can get behind.
    Lord, please give me the strength NOT to respond to this. Amen

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    Quote Originally Posted by GTD View Post
    My first choice would be Ted Nugent, oh wait hes not running. OK Mike Huckabee, but I hate to say it, John McCain may be our best bet against Hillery or Obama, he is more to the left then the other GOP candidates, witch may appeal to a lot of people who are riding the fence on who to vote for. I think I'll vote for Huckabee. God help us all!
    Ted for POTUS!!! HEll ya I'd vote for him. This is what we need!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by tnoisaw View Post
    Lord, please give me the strength NOT to respond to this. Amen
    Didn't work. Pray harder.

    If cvillechopper's intent was to convey that one should vote for the best overall candidate, rather than the one who waves the right banner (Republican in this case), I'm right with him. Voting is not a team sport.

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    The new 'Bob Dole'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cvillechopper View Post
    A system that forces you to decide between two completely unrelated issues like gun control and fiscal responsibility, women's freedom to do what they want with their body and capital punishment, etc. is very flawed.
    All the issues you mentioned, and more, can be related back to an individual's responsibility for their actions. If your overarching philosophy is one of taking as much responsibility as possible for yourself and your actions, you will gravitate toward one political way of thinking. If your overarching philosophy runs more toward "I am my brother's keeper" or "it takes a village," then you will naturally go the other way on those issues.

    We have the worst system in the world - except for all the others.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MLB View Post
    Didn't work. Pray harder.

    If cvillechopper's intent was to convey that one should vote for the best overall candidate, rather than the one who waves the right banner (Republican in this case), I'm right with him. Voting is not a team sport.
    Exactly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Barham View Post
    All the issues you mentioned, and more, can be related back to an individual's responsibility for their actions. If your overarching philosophy is one of taking as much responsibility as possible for yourself and your actions, you will gravitate toward one political way of thinking. If your overarching philosophy runs more toward "I am my brother's keeper" or "it takes a village," then you will naturally go the other way on those issues.
    I disagree. One party favors gun control but wants to allow a women her choice. The other is the opposite on both issues. How does an individual who agrees with one party on one issue and the other on another make a decision? He/she has to give up on one issue for the sake of the other. For small issues, compromise is understandable. For larger issues, like these, I'd rather it not be an all or nothing situation but that would require more public input to the law-making process and elimination of many seats in DC so that will never happen. A true democracy would be impossible.

    Additionally, on just the PERSONAL responsibility issue, if that is really the sway of a party they would not waste so much energy of attempting to dictate what a woman can do with her body or who can be legally married, etc. Either let each to their own or don't, but don't pretend that you favor individual freedom/responsibility when you're working to restrict it.

    Truthfully, when you look at the individual issues, McCain is much closer to being in line with my beliefs than many other candidates but I'll wait until I've seen who sticks to their guns before making my decision.

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