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    Quote Originally Posted by tnoisaw View Post
    At least with a republican in the White house it will have a little checks and balances.
    A divided government is a good thing. But I don't know that Senator "Maverick" McCain would so much "divide" it with his "bipartisan" approach.

    So, for those of you staying away from the polls don't whine when the left starts taking away our rights because you did nothing to try to stop it. This is a harse statement I know, but I stand by it.
    Fair enough. But don't come crying when President McCain closes down gun shows, signs another campaign finance law that stomps on the First Amendment, backs Patriot Act II, institutes amnesty for the "hardworking laborers" from Mexico, empowers the EPA to fight "global warming" by regulatory fiat, and sends more good men to their deaths in Iran.
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    mike has no worries

    i'm pretty sure arizona will go to mccain whether mike votes or not. the "swing states" are those that truly decide the election because certain states are almost locked in as republican or democrat.

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    Barack Obama for President!!!!




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    From the state of nitwits that gave John McCain (without help from me) his first victory I supported Romney (after it became apparent by his actions or lack of that Fred wasn't really interested) because I felt he was the only real alternative to McCain. Before I retired I worked in Mass (lived in NH) and saw Romney in person at a few events when he was pushing his economic package for the state. The package worked in Mass. and he left with a surplus.

    I think he would provide good leadership on the economy, be strong on defense, strong on immigration and somewhat soft on guns. I could envision him signing an assault weapons ban as he did in Mass. although he might back away if he felt it would cost him his base.

    I'm guessing whoever is nominated will likely pick a conservative to balance the ticket in an attempt to appease the base. It won't work.

    The only point I can make on voting is if you can't bear to vote for president then don't but be sure to vote for congress, state reps, Governor etc. as that is more important this year with the poor presidential choices.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TerryP View Post
    ... be sure to vote for congress, state reps, Governor etc. as that is more important this year with the poor presidential choices.
    That's true. If we actually followed the Constitution as written, your governor would be far more influential than the president. It's a shame how much power has been stripped from the states.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dallaswood43 View Post
    i'm pretty sure arizona will go to mccain whether mike votes or not.
    Yup!

    That's another reason I didn't bother to request a primary ballot. Senator McCain apparently remains unaccountably popular in Arizona. Must be all the transplants from California.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Barham View Post
    A divided government is a good thing. But I don't know that Senator "Maverick" McCain would so much "divide" it with his "bipartisan" approach.



    Fair enough. But don't come crying when President McCain closes down gun shows, signs another campaign finance law that stomps on the First Amendment, backs Patriot Act II, institutes amnesty for the "hardworking laborers" from Mexico, empowers the EPA to fight "global warming" by regulatory fiat, and sends more good men to their deaths in Iran.
    But who would be worse? McCain, Clinton or I'll bomb ya. I hate the fact that I have to choose a lesser evil but the lesser evil is better than the most evil.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mc2 View Post
    Barack Obama for President!!!!



    I do hope this was a joke otherwise be careful for what you wish for and be prepared to give up your Smith and Glock if he should become president.

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    Well, IF the Republicans nominated Ron Paul, I would vote Republican... HOWEVER, they will most likely nominate the biggest corporate WHORE on the planet, McCain....

    I will be voting Libertarian.. I realize Libertarians can't win, but given the choices, the "lesser evil" makes me want to shoot myself! God have mercy on our nation... When it comes to this election, the least common denominator in intelligence will be who picks our next "leader" Ladies and gentlemen, this is going to be a very long, painful, and sad year for the United States.

    Ciao, CZ

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    My decision is a strategic one. My current plan to abstain if Senator McCain gets the GOP nod will be in hopes that the GOP loses the election, forcing them to reexamine their choice of candidates, and reevaluate their flirtations with "neoconservatism" and total fiscal irresponsibility the next time around. Of course Senator McCain will likely carry Arizona regardless of my abstention, so I am under illusions that I actually matter.

    Rep. Paul is strong on the Second Amendment, but he has surrounded himself with enough lunatics that I cannot cast a vote for him. Anyway, his speaking skills are poor and he can't adequately explain his apparent inconsistencies, so Senators Clinton or Obama would eat him alive in a debate.

    I do think McCain would beat the tar out of Obama in a one-on-one debate, probably reminiscent of Reagan versus Carter, and could at least hold his own with Clinton.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Barham View Post
    My decision is a strategic one. My current plan to abstain if Senator McCain gets the GOP nod will be in hopes that the GOP loses the election, forcing them to reexamine their choice of candidates, and reevaluate their flirtations with "neoconservatism" and total fiscal irresponsibility the next time around. Of course Senator McCain will likely carry Arizona regardless of my abstention, so I am under illusions that I actually matter.

    Rep. Paul is strong on the Second Amendment, but he has surrounded himself with enough lunatics that I cannot cast a vote for him. Anyway, his speaking skills are poor and he can't adequately explain his apparent inconsistencies, so Senators Clinton or Obama would eat him alive in a debate.

    I do think McCain would beat the tar out of Obama in a one-on-one debate, probably reminiscent of Reagan versus Carter, and could at least hold his own with Clinton.
    Sorry Mike but I don't understand your logic though I've heard it from others too. I'd rather tell the GOP to get it together without losing the White house. Having a socialist in that office would not be good for this great country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tnoisaw View Post
    Sorry Mike but I don't understand your logic though I've heard it from others too. I'd rather tell the GOP to get it together without losing the White house. Having a socialist in that office would not be good for this great country.
    If we keep voting for the lousy candidates the GOP has been putting up lately, what incentive do they have to change? Politics is just another marketplace, and if we keep buying the lousy stuff, only lousy stuff will appear on the shelves. See WalMart for an example.

    How is continuously voting for lousy candidates telling the GOP to "get it together?" If anything, it encourages even more lousy candidates. Voting for the lousy GOP candidates in the past has had the result of giving us "choices" like McCain, Romney, Giuliani, and our current president, none of whom are actually conservatives and most of whom are authoritarians who delight in grinding the Constitution under their heel.

    How is an anti-gun, anti-rights, pro-amnesty, warmongering authoritarian better than a anti-gun, anti-rights, pro-amnesty peacenik socialist?

    Enduring a few years of pain may wake up the GOP and make them realize they need to find candidates who are actual conservatives, not this current crop of liberals in conservative lipstick.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Barham View Post
    If we keep voting for the lousy candidates the GOP has been putting up lately, what incentive do they have to change?
    Exactly the reason to vote Ron Paul if you in fact support him.. or to vote for whoever's platform you support regardless of whether or not the mainstream media say he's "unelectable". If we keep voting for the "product" candidate, we'll keep getting what we've been getting.

    I vote two issues, and two issues only: 2nd amendment and taxation. So for those who feel the same, the choice is very clear.


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    At the risk of being flamed, I don't like any of the current crop of candidates. I'm extremely disappointed in the 2 politcal parties for not giving us a better choice:

    Angry old man
    Rich robot (who spends over $30mil of his own money to get a 250k job?)
    Angry wife with no BJ for Hubby
    Dubious guy with terrorist name

    And none of these guys is even funny! Dubya used to be funny in a stupid kinda way, but now he's all serious and angry. The State of the Onion on Monday was boring... blah, blah, blah. The GOP hasn't had a decent candidate with a sense of humor since Bob Dole, even then it was a crazy kind of funny... referring to himself in the third person. I loved Reagan, he was funniest of them all.

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    Logical thinking, if you listen to the news, tells us that McCain will win Arizona Tuesday. I am not all that certain. Most of my friends are republican but some are Democrat. I have yet to hear one of them indicate they wanted Hillary, Obama or McCain. I am not in total agreement with what is left but will vote for one of them. It may take a coin toss but I refuse to NOT vote.

    To not vote is to surrender to the Media selection.

    Grit your teeth and do your duty be your selection right wrong or indifferent in my eyes.


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    Quote Originally Posted by tnoisaw View Post
    I do hope this was a joke otherwise be careful for what you wish for and be prepared to give up your Smith and Glock if he should become president.
    Changing the second ammendment is not on his agenda, but I'd gladly give up my pistols if it was.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mc2 View Post
    Changing the second ammendment is not on his agenda, but I'd gladly give up my pistols if it was.
    Until I saw this, I had decided to vote Libertarian rather than choose between two Democrats (McCain and whoever). Now, I'll have to vote for the one calling himself a Republican. If nothing else, I can cancel out a vote for Osama or Billary.

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    eloquent??

    i think its actually one of the great tragedies of how we select our political leaders that someone who could potentially be the greatest leader we've ever known would never get elected due to their lack of eloquence. so Ron Paul might get eaten alive in a debate due to his lack of public speaking skills and that would cost him the election, and that's just a travesty. it's not debate team or a public speaking contest but that's how we decide.

    another pet peeve is our president has to look a certain way. we want them to look like someone who would play president in a movie. as mentioned before romney is mormon and so am i but i can't help but think he's a leading candidate because he looks handsome. think of it, none of the candidates are really super models but they are all average to above average looking people too.

    i don't know what other basis we could use to decide, but it sure would be great if we could actually know each candidate personally and choose that way, but that is obviously impossible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mc2 View Post
    Changing the second ammendment is not on his agenda, but I'd gladly give up my pistols if it was.
    Maybe you should give them up anyway since they mean so little to you.

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