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    Lakota Indians suceed from the USA!

    Lakota Indians Withdraw Treaties Signed With U.S. 150 Years Ago

    Thursday, December 20, 2007

    WASHINGTON — The Lakota Indians, who gave the world legendary warriors Sitting Bull and Crazy Horse, have withdrawn from treaties with the United States.

    "We are no longer citizens of the United States of America and all those who live in the five-state area that encompasses our country are free to join us,'' long-time Indian rights activist Russell Means said.

    A delegation of Lakota leaders has delivered a message to the State Department, and said they were unilaterally withdrawing from treaties they signed with the federal government of the U.S., some of them more than 150 years old.

    The group also visited the Bolivian, Chilean, South African and Venezuelan embassies, and would continue on their diplomatic mission and take it overseas in the coming weeks and months.

    Lakota country includes parts of the states of Nebraska, South Dakota, North Dakota, Montana and Wyoming.

    The new country would issue its own passports and driving licences, and living there would be tax-free - provided residents renounce their U.S. citizenship, Mr Means said.

    The treaties signed with the U.S. were merely "worthless words on worthless paper," the Lakota freedom activists said.

    Withdrawing from the treaties was entirely legal, Means said.

    "This is according to the laws of the United States, specifically article six of the constitution,'' which states that treaties are the supreme law of the land, he said.

    "It is also within the laws on treaties passed at the Vienna Convention and put into effect by the US and the rest of the international community in 1980. We are legally within our rights to be free and independent,'' said Means.

    The Lakota relaunched their journey to freedom in 1974, when they drafted a declaration of continuing independence — an overt play on the title of the United States' Declaration of Independence from England.

    Thirty-three years have elapsed since then because "it takes critical mass to combat colonialism and we wanted to make sure that all our ducks were in a row,'' Means said.

    One duck moved into place in September, when the United Nations adopted a non-binding declaration on the rights of indigenous peoples — despite opposition from the United States, which said it clashed with its own laws.

    "We have 33 treaties with the United States that they have not lived by. They continue to take our land, our water, our children,'' Phyllis Young, who helped organize the first international conference on indigenous rights in Geneva in 1977, told the news conference.

    The U.S. "annexation'' of native American land has resulted in once proud tribes such as the Lakota becoming mere "facsimiles of white people,'' said Means.

    Oppression at the hands of the U.S. government has taken its toll on the Lakota, whose men have one of the shortest life expectancies - less than 44 years - in the world.

    Lakota teen suicides are 150 per cent above the norm for the U.S.; infant mortality is five times higher than the U.S. average; and unemployment is rife, according to the Lakota freedom movement's website.

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    This is wild! This should be more in the news than some of the other crap being reported. Historically, this is huge... An area within the USA withdrawing from the country and trying to be a seperate country!

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    It's all about money Ship and they don't tell you that. The ones at the top are taking the bucks for themselfs and the people get very little. It's a classic exsample of government taking care of you. Wait for Hillary Health Care and all the other socialist plans and all the American people will be just like the Lakota in due time.

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    If the Lakota reservation is anything like the reservations in Arizona...I wish them a lot of luck. They'll need it.
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    There are a lot of issues involved, and I'm not sure that they will be any better off.

    But just the simple action at face value... It's like sucession during the civil war. Just the conceot if mindboggling.

    The decision itself deserves to be the #1 story right now. I also don't think the US govt will go along with this, obviously...

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    I dunno if it's that big a deal. Indian reservations have had their own tribal governments and police forces forever, and many have operated as sovereign nations for a very long time. I remember the Mashantucket Pequots basically thumbing their noses at the People's State of CT when they were starting to build what is now the biggest single casino in the world, Foxwoods.

    Anyway, they will likely come crawling back after they see that the world is a big, tough place.
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    Lakota Indians suceed from the USA!
    Shouldn't that be "secede"?

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    This is just Russell Means stirring up more trouble. IIRC, he was behind the radical group AIM in the '70's. I predict that West VA will remain the only successful US secession.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Crunch View Post
    Shouldn't that be "secede"?

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    Lets send them 12,000,000 new residents, looking for a home with no taxes, and drivers licences for all... California, Nevada, Arizona, and Texas should shart buying free bus tickets!!!! I'm sure they'll need plenty of low-salary workers at the new casinos!

    Let-em go.

    PS Anyone ever read the book: "The Mouse that Roared"???

    Look it up.

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    Perhaps we should try again.

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    Does this mean that all those Lakotians who are out here in the real world have to either renounce their heritage, or return to the reservation? There's going to be a lot of professionals, and laborers laying around doing nothing.
    What about basic services like water and electric, etc?
    Hey Mike, here's another border for you to guard against illegal aliens.

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    I wonder if they'll have any better luck than the folk who want Texas to become an independent nation again:

    http://www.texasnationalist.com/independence/index.php

    http://www.texassecede.com/faq.asp

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