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    4" 1911 with Short Grip

    Other than Kimber, who makes a 1911 with a 4" barrel and a shorter grip?

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    Sig, STI, and Wilson Combat immediately come to mind. I'm sure there are others.

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    Sig, STI, and Wilson Combat immediately come to mind. I'm sure there are others.
    Thanks. Wasn't having any luck searching the Internet for some reason. I'm thinking that Springfield doesn't, correct?

    Even if it doesn't say explicitly, if they are showing a 7+1 capacity, it should be the officers grip, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jdeere9750 View Post
    Thanks. Wasn't having any luck searching the Internet for some reason. I'm thinking that Springfield doesn't, correct?

    Even if it doesn't say explicitly, if they are showing a 7+1 capacity, it should be the officers grip, right?
    Springfield doesn't have a 4" with compact grip. Correct, 7+1 is for the Officers framed pistols.

    The 4" with compact grip is commonly referred to as a CCO or "Concealed Carry Officers", Kimber calls them the "Compact" model.


    Les Baer has the Stinger, as mentioned Dan Wesson has the CCO, Nighthawk has the T3, The STI model mentioned above is the Guardian

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    Quote Originally Posted by VAMarine View Post
    Springfield doesn't have a 4" with compact grip. Correct, 7+1 is for the Officers framed pistols.

    The 4" with compact grip is commonly referred to as a CCO or "Concealed Carry Officers", Kimber calls them the "Compact" model.


    Les Baer has the Stinger, as mentioned Dan Wesson has the CCO, Nighthawk has the T3, The STI model mentioned above is the Guardian
    Just under $2k for the Baer SS Stinger??? I would have thought it would have been in the upper $2k's with the Wilsons, Browns, and Nighthawks. I'm going to have to add that to my "potentials" list!

    You have so much more to teach me.

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    Re: 4" 1911 with Short Grip

    Quote Originally Posted by Todd View Post
    Just under $2k for the Baer SS Stinger??? I would have thought it would have been in the upper $2k's with the Wilsons, Browns, and Nighthawks. I'm going to have to add that to my "potentials" list!

    You have so much more to teach me.
    The Baers typically come in under this mentioned in price, but the big drawback to them is that they are true blued guns and blued guns don't hold up well for carry, particularly in high humidity areas. The other guns cost more but have a more durable finish.

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    Re: 4" 1911 with Short Grip

    Also, some Baers do have more durable finishes and those can be applied to other Baers etc but it will be a special order and cost more.

    The SRP and Super Tac are two of two of the guns with a more robust finish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Todd View Post
    You have so much more to teach me.
    Yeah, me too.

    I can't pay that much for a Nighthawk, I think I'd rather have a Sig than a STI since they are similarly priced (let me know if you guys strongly disagree), and I don't want another Kimber.

    So, that leaves me with a Sig Compact ($1,142), Dan Wesson CCO ($1,558), and Les Baer Stinger ($1,995). What's the main differences between them?

    Edited to add: Didn't see your above responses until after posting this.

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    Re: 4" 1911 with Short Grip

    Quote Originally Posted by jdeere9750 View Post
    Yeah, me too.

    I can't pay that much for a Nighthawk, I think I'd rather have a Sig than a STI since they are similarly priced (let me know if you guys strongly disagree), and I don't want another Kimber.

    So, that leaves me with a Sig Compact ($1,142), Dan Wesson CCO ($1,558), and Les Baer Stinger ($1,995). What's the main differences between them?

    Edited to add: Didn't see your above responses until after posting this.
    Well....

    The Sigs are well equipped guns, but if they have the Sig profiles slides thee can be some holster fit issues. The rear edge of the grip frame, at the bottom of the main spring housing on every Sig 1911 I've ever held has been Sharp making the gun uncomfortable just to grip tightly.

    As noted, the Hard pistols are blued and can be problematic where corosion issues need to be taken into account. I sweat like crazy in the summer so traditionally blued guns are a no-go for me.

    The finish on the Site is pretty good.

    The CCO from Dan Season is probably the best of the bunch going down the whole laundry list of features and attributes of these models. The fit and finish is great, the rear edge is slightly rounded, the guns are well equipped parts wise.

    They cost a little more but in the class of pistols were talking about I'd say its worth it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VAMarine View Post
    Well....

    The Sigs are well equipped guns, but if they have the Sig profiles slides thee can be some holster fit issues. The rear edge of the grip frame, at the bottom of the main spring housing on every Sig 1911 I've ever held has been Sharp making the gun uncomfortable just to grip tightly.

    As noted, the Hard pistols are blued and can be problematic where corosion issues need to be taken into account. I sweat like crazy in the summer so traditionally blued guns are a no-go for me.

    The finish on the Site is pretty good.

    The CCO from Dan Season is probably the best of the bunch going down the whole laundry list of features and attributes of these models. The fit and finish is great, the rear edge is slightly rounded, the guns are well equipped parts wise.

    They cost a little more but in the class of pistols were talking about I'd say its worth it.
    That's exactly what I was looking for. Concise and to the point. The blued guns definitely aren't good for me, because I sweat something fierce and I don't take the best of care of the outside of my guns. I need stainless. I assume that "Site" should really be Sigs, meaning the finish on them is pretty good. Correct?

    I'm going to try to get up to the gun store and handle the Sig, if they've got one. I'll see how it feels, and if the sharp corner is a problem for me as well. I'm just debating if the extra money for the Dan Wesson is worth it (to me.) Holster fit on the Sig isn't a big problem, because I can buy a few holsters for the extra cost of the Dan Wesson, if I decide to go that route. Also, I think I like the look of the Sig better, but looks shouldn't matter (that's judging by the one picture on the Dan Wesson website). I'd like to get one in my hand to compare the two.

    I know the Dan Wesson will be money well spent. Maybe I just need to start squirreling back some more nuts and get the Wesson.

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    Yes, stupid Auto-Correct...Site = Sig...


    As for the Dan Wessons, if you shop around you can find "blemished" models for under $1300, from most of the reports on DW blemished guns, you'd have to look really hard to find the blemish. As it's a carry gun you're going to get some wear and tear eventually etc.

    It's not a bad route to take IMHO, but then again I buy most of my guns gently used.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VAMarine View Post
    Yes, stupid Auto-Correct...Site = Sig...


    As for the Dan Wessons, if you shop around you can find "blemished" models for under $1300, from most of the reports on DW blemished guns, you'd have to look really hard to find the blemish. As it's a carry gun you're going to get some wear and tear eventually etc.

    It's not a bad route to take IMHO, but then again I buy most of my guns gently used.
    Looks like the going rate for a NIB is $1,377. Blems seem to be going for about $1,250. I'm surprised there wasn't a bigger difference in the two. Guess that tells a little about the blemishes. I reckon I need to keep saving if I'm traveling down the Dan Wesson road.

    I sure do appreciate the wisdom and time spent replying to my questions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jdeere9750 View Post
    Looks like the going rate for a NIB is $1,377. Blems seem to be going for about $1,250. I'm surprised there wasn't a bigger difference in the two. Guess that tells a little about the blemishes. I reckon I need to keep saving if I'm traveling down the Dan Wesson road.

    I sure do appreciate the wisdom and time spent replying to my questions.

    You're welcome.

    There's one other option I forgot about.

    S&W has a "CCO" sized gun, the S&W 1911 108310




    S&W SW1911ES (108310) @ GunsAmerica


    It's out of stock @ Buds, but last price was $937

    Here's one on GunBroker for $895

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    Yet another fine choice. Seems like the S&W and the Sig are going to be darn near the same gun. Priced about the same, external extractors, stainless, lifetime warranty, etc. Sig has night sights. S&W is made in USA, though, which means something to me.

    I know your vote was for the DW, but what tips the scale for you spend $400-$500 more for the DW over the other two?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jdeere9750 View Post
    I know your vote was for the DW, but what tips the scale for you spend $400-$500 more for the DW over the other two?
    VAMarine is a 1911 "parvenu". I was going to get this until he talked me out of it and made me spend more $$$$.



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    Quote Originally Posted by jdeere9750 View Post
    Yet another fine choice. Seems like the S&W and the Sig are going to be darn near the same gun. Priced about the same, external extractors, stainless, lifetime warranty, etc. Sig has night sights. S&W is made in USA, though, which means something to me.

    I know your vote was for the DW, but what tips the scale for you spend $400-$500 more for the DW over the other two?

    Ceramic coating, better overall build quality, zero MIM parts. Both the Sig and Dan Wesson 1911s are made in the US, the Sig in New Hampshire and the DW in New York, but the parent companies are foreign (Sig Sauer and CZ)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Todd View Post
    VAMarine is a 1911 "parvenu". I was going to get this hi point .45 until he talked me out of it and made me spend more $$$$.


    Man that's not even funny.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VAMarine View Post
    Man that's not even funny.
    Come on now, look at this list of features:
    Polymer frame
    Durable, attractive easy-grip finish
    Last round lock open
    Quick on-off thumb safety
    Operations safety sheet
    +P rated
    Free extra rear peep sight
    Free trigger lock
    Lifetime warranty
    100% American-made, parts and assembly

    I still can't believe you twisted my arm into getting something else and made me pass up a free operations safety sheet!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jdeere9750 View Post
    I know your vote was for the DW, but what tips the scale for you spend $400-$500 more for the DW over the other two?
    In all seriousness, do what my friend here told me to do and if you can afford it, spend the extra money or else in a year or so, you're just going to be looking at another 1911. Now you still may have the 1911 bug and in a year be looking at another gun, but it will be an addition to your collection and not a replacement.

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