Based on but not exactly
Do you 1911 guys consider the LDA's by Para true 1911's?
yea or nay..........
Based on but not exactly
Para's triggers sure aren't original 1911, as mr. Brown had intended them to be
Not a true 1911 in my opinion but a tremendously admirable variant. I'd love to own an LDA! I love double action pistols and having a sorta-1911 that's DA is a heavenly thought. Jeff Cooper would've loved it.
Being a DA weapon that alone says it's not exactly a 1911 in the most pure sense of the word. Just like one chambered in anything but 45ACP is not. Para took a few liberties with the design trying to address issues some shooters had with the traditional 1911.
Ramped barrels, DA actions, different calibers are all to make the weapon appeal to shooters that might like a 1911 if it just had this..or that. Even the way the LTC's grip safety not going flush with the back strap was done because some shooters complained about memory pad grip safeties. The use a smooth one but altered the frame to keep it out a little more ensuring it is going to engage properly.
They make a heck of a weapon and the LDA is no exception. One thing that got me looking at Para Ord. was they sell a lot of pistols. But how many do you see used? Not many. That tells me that people tend to keep them. I have two at the moment and really want a Blackwatch Companion. I've never fired an officers model 1911 that felt better and I have a Colt Officers Model (One day I"ll sell that thing if I ever get the nerve..lol).
If you ever get a chance to fire an LDA you will love it. It's not near the pull or travel you would expect. It's really fun to shoot one.
Last edited by DevilsJohnson; 04-10-2009 at 05:13 AM.
Not a true 1911 trigger system, but 1911 inspired design for a DAO pistol.. Though it's not a full 1911, it has 1911 ergonomics and bore-axis geometry. An excellent "alternative" to cocked and locked carry. I'd love to have one.. But I also very much appreciate a good 1911 single action trigger. But the LDA basically provides a good alternative for simple carry in a 1911 "style" pistol.
Still comes with a 1911 price-tag though.
And why the hell is that relevant?
Last edited by bruce333; 04-16-2009 at 03:03 PM. Reason: Moderator note: that user is now banned
Not enough choices.
Were the choice there, I would choose, "Silly question."
definatly not a true 1911.
I can see where some models are not but they make a few that I could call a true 1911 and their GI Expert is a Mil Spec 1911. Can't get much more true than that.
I'm not trying to be combative I just am a little curious as to why they "definatly not true 1911"?
For me, the answer is no. The 1911 as designed by Mr. Browning is the 1911. Anything other than his design is an offshoot of the 1911. I like Para's. Love to have a couple of P14's with cross draw shoulder holsters. But, I carry a 1911 daily.
Thanks to the GENTLEMEN who are answering; I'm only a few months into 1911 formats and do have a single action trigger set ups and a few LDA's .....want to know what the community's take on the LDA IS VS SINGLE ACTION.
Again thanks Guys,
The para LDA trigger is nothing like any other DA weapon you will see. The pull is longer of course but the pull is really light. I'm really wanting one of the Blackwatch Companion LDS's A friend of mine has one doe CC. I didn't think I'd like it when I first seen it but it's really changed my mind once I fired it. I had been looking at a Springer EMP but could have the Para and be really happy.
Bottom line is a good SA trigger is about as good as it gets. It has next to no travel and if it's worked just right they are really light. Some people don't like the cocked and locked thing with a 1911 so the LDA fills that niche really well. You still have the safety(s) but you have a little more travel and that makes people a little more comfortable. I like a good SA trigger but there is no denying the LDA is a great system. I wouldn't want it for a range toy but for a carry weapon it works really well. Of the two I have got to shoot (Companion and Tac-Four) I really liked how they shot. The Carry 9 (Link) is fantastic for those that don't want a 45 ACP but I can tell you after shooting the two LDA's I shot the recoil on them is not much at all and I really don't understand why. Especially that Companion. It had less flip them my LTC that is a good bit larger. But a 45 is not for everyone (more ammo for me!! )
I don't think there are a lot of Para Ord shooters on this forum but but those that dod really like them. The one thing that made me look at them to begin with was looking around shops and places like gunbroker you just don't see many used Para pistols. That tells me that people must be holding on to them which is a huge endorsement to me.
A Para DA?
No- not by a longshot.
But this one is, complete with driver, carboard box, mags in heavy waxed paper, lanyard loop, black oxide finish, flat mainspring and propper roll marks.
Gettum while they're hot- max run of 4000.
Last edited by clanger; 05-07-2009 at 12:33 PM.
CLANGER..................What is that brand?? nice GI setup.
The Carry 9 looks like about as sweet a little concealable 9mm as you can get.
I tell ya, if I had 9 bills in the budget at the show where I picked up my XD, I would have left with the Tac Four. I had a hard time handing that thing back to the guy. If they weren't as much as an entry level AR, I'd be all over it.. though I do know you get what you pay for in US made 1911's.
13+1 carry length.. NICE ..
But now I am becoming a fan of the good ole' single-stack 1911 grip.. ie the "Companion"..
Last edited by babs; 05-08-2009 at 10:12 AM.
I don't consider it a "true" 1911 because of it being DA
Only some Para's are DA. The biggest thing that keeps them from being a true 1911 is the ramped barrel. I have two SAO paras here.
ABSOLUTELY NOT. Neither is a Kimber, Springfield, Taurus.
It depends on where you draw the line. Many guns are based on the 1911-A1 design. If you want to be anal, the addition of a polished and throated barrel, a beavertail grip safety, a trigger stop, taller three-dot sights a barrel less or more than 5”, a guide rod, dehorning, fitted bushing, extended thumb safety, target barrel, tight frame to slide tolerances, flat mainspring, other than wood grips, ambidextrous thumb safety, extended slide release, rail, internal laser, forged frame vs. cast, supported chamber…the list goes on.
IMHO a 1911 is any gun based on the frame, slide, operating system of the original 1911. It just depends on where you draw the line. Is the Para GI Expert a 1911? If so is the Tac Four? Is the change in trigger the defining difference that makes a gun no longer a 1911 based design?
I think we use the “TERM” 1911 to describe any of the many offerings from Colt, Springfield, Kimber, Taurus, Ed Brown, STI, Night Hawk, Sig, Smith and Wesson etc… Very few of them are a “1911”.
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i voted nay.
the main reason the 1911 is so popular to this day, i think, is the short light trigger stroke which allows very fast and accurate shooting.
the para lda is a fantastic double action trigger pull, i just prefer the single action on my 1911's for the previously stated reason.
Double stacked 45s....not a big fan and never will be one.