Originally Posted by Waldo Pepper

Probably same reason the S&W isn't by 1911 snobs, are should I say the purest faction, the S&W & Sig are not compatible with parts. They will not take universal 1911 parts, and then there is external extractor. Although there the external extractor is a big improvement for 1911's the die hard 1911 guys don't like that big of improvement because of looks. JMB tried to get the USA & Colt to go with improved gun with external extractor and one piece barrel feed ramp but was turned down, so he started work on the now famous Browning Hi Power that is the basis for most modern semi-automatic hand guns....full ramped barrels and external extractors.

You got a source for that? The Hi Power didn't get an external extractor until the 60s unless I'm mistaken.

The military didn't start looking at replacments for the M1911A1 until the 50s, long after Browning's death in 1926 and that never went anywhere for almost 30 years until 1985.


Browning didnt even finish the design of the Hi Power, his assistant is credited for what we know as the Hi Power / P35.

Originally Posted by VAMarine

You got a source for that? The Hi Power didn't get an external extractor until the 60s unless I'm mistaken. I thought it was post WWII in early 50's, but could have been 60's.

The military didn't start looking at replacments for the M1911A1 until the 50s, long after Browning's death in 1926 and that never went anywhere for almost 30 years until 1985. I often run thoughts togather when writing, wasn't trying to say say he tried to sell them EE back then sorry.... JMB did try to sell the improvement of ramped barrel to USA and Colt along with FL Guide Rod about a few years before he died, but it was later in 50's or 60's that FN or former designer with FN tried to sell Colt the idea of external extractor.


Browning didnt even finish the design of the Hi Power, his assistant is credited for what we know as the Hi Power / P35. Quite true, but he did try to sell them the idea of ramped barrel and even the idea of the FLGR, and I seem to remember he even pitched the double stack magazine idea in 45ACP and was rebuffed so he went back and did it in 9mm for French.

I've often wondered if assistant didn't just get credit for JMB's work.

I really wanted one of the earlier DW 1911's that had the S&W slides with external extractor, but never found on in 10mm or 38 Super. The 1911 with ramped barrel, FLGR, EE, and extended "beaver tail" would be the perfect 1911 IMHO, and the DS magazine would make it just too big a grip for most. And most of us old timers who have 50 years or more with the slim 1911 would most likely never be comfortable with the big grips of a DS frame.

I'm changing my vote on preferred brand to Dan Wesson. Wow, what a pistol.

Their new revolver version of the 715 is to die for and sure makes a S&W 686 look like over priced low quality gun, but then the have for 35 years or so.

Here's my 25 or so year old M-44 a 44 Magnum (2.5", 4", 10" & 8" barrels) that makes S&W 629 owners nervous. A max loaded 300gr is about like shooting a 6" 686 with 38 special. I've seen S&W's with cylinder blown apart along with top strap. A neighbor will not shoot my plinking 240 gr HC L/SWC I use in the DW, said they would rattle his 629 apart. He's shot my DW with the 240's and the hot 300gr loads and was amazed at lack of recoil and accuracy. I need a 6" to finish the set, maybe later in the spring.



Too bad they had all the damage to the plant back about Thanksgiving, they still not up and running last I checked. Needless to say my RZ38Super didn't get finished for my Christmas, but I told Keith that my birthday in July would be fine as well as next Christmas.

Springfield or bust

Kimber

Originally Posted by monadh

I'm changing my vote on preferred brand to Dan Wesson. Wow, what a pistol.

^This. For sure. What he said. Wow. ^

I am surprised that Colt came in 3rd to Kimber and Sprigfield. I will enjoy thsi thread. I am in the market of one

I have a Kimber CDP 2 that is nice and a Smith and Wesson 1911 that shoots very accurately.

Kimber Pro Raptor II ...

Colt all the way

Wow, this is an old thread... Still going on...

Anyway, as time goes on, my opinions have changed a bit....

Since this thread started (and before). Ive owned several 1911s over the years - various companies (Kimber, several Springfields, a Custom Shop Springfield, Dan Wesson and an Ed Brown). Springfield is my favorite standard production models. They make nice guns. High-end wise - the Ed Brown 1911 I previously owned was an awesome gun. But, I think I like the Springfield Custom Shop the most.... I prefer their guns over Nighthawk, Wilson, Brown and some of the others. Be aware that they are not standard production Springers, though...

I am 1911-less right now. If I ever get another, I think I'd want a Springfield Professional....

Originally Posted by Shipwreck

Wow, this is an old thread... Still going on...

Anyway, as time goes on, my opinions have changed a bit....

Since this thread started (and before). Ive owned several 1911s over the years - various companies (Kimber, several Springfields, a Custom Shop Springfield, Dan Wesson and an Ed Brown). Springfield is my favorite standard production models. They make nice guns. High-end wise - the Ed Brown 1911 I previously owned was an awesome gun. But, I think I like the Springfield Custom Shop the most.... I prefer their guns over Nighthawk, Wilson, Brown and some of the others. Be aware that they are not standard production Springers, though...

I am 1911-less right now. If I ever get another, I think I'd want a Springfield Professional....

Where would you rate the Dan Wesson in that mix?

By the way, I'll never get used to the different profile pic.

Originally Posted by jdeere9750

Where would you rate the Dan Wesson in that mix?

By the way, I'll never get used to the different profile pic.

Hahaha... Been way overdue to change the avatar.... I can finally have bigger than a 50x50 pic, now that I'm a mod again. So, I could finally change the avatar

The Dan Wesson came with Big Dot sights - I gave it a try and I HATED them. And, the sight cut into the slide prevented any other sights being installed. That issue pre-occupied me at the time, and it made me get rid of the gun. I didn't have it long. Gun quality was nice, though.

I have only fired Colts, I own three by serial number a 1916, 1945 and a gold cup made in the 80s they are awesome. I am thinking about getting another I.e. Remington R1 1911.

I have several .45s and have seemingly always owned at least one at any time. I recently picked up a nice little Kimber Pro-Crimson Carry II...real nice pistol. I had a NIB Colt Govt Model and an S&W 4513TSW and a Para P10.45. Always admired the Sig 1911s and finally saw a new Ultra Two-Tone last week while looking for another snubby...less wide than the Para. I traded the Govt Model for the Sig and I have really like the pistol. Out of the first 100 rounds rounds and with a sore right hand I was pleased to see 100% functionality. No glitches or problems at all. Just came in and had dinner and settled in the den and realized that the Sig in a 'King Tuk' just about 'disappears' when I sit down and get busy. I have an idea that the Sig will be a first choice for me for a while. 3.25" and a 7 round mag makes it a good pick for me. My aftermarket full size mags also feed and fit well for spares in the Sig.

Originally Posted by aryfrosty

I have several .45s and have seemingly always owned at least one at any time. I recently picked up a nice little Kimber Pro-Crimson Carry II...real nice pistol. I had a NIB Colt Govt Model and an S&W 4513TSW and a Para P10.45. Always admired the Sig 1911s and finally saw a new Ultra Two-Tone last week while looking for another snubby...less wide than the Para. I traded the Govt Model for the Sig and I have really like the pistol. Out of the first 100 rounds rounds and with a sore right hand I was pleased to see 100% functionality. No glitches or problems at all. Just came in and had dinner and settled in the den and realized that the Sig in a 'King Tuk' just about 'disappears' when I sit down and get busy. I have an idea that the Sig will be a first choice for me for a while. 3.25" and a 7 round mag makes it a good pick for me. My aftermarket full size mags also feed and fit well for spares in the Sig.

it's always nice to have that first shooting session go problem free. Those sigs are smooooth to the feel

Got as few colts also. just bought a Para Ltc, sweet gun, great trigger. Just read Colt got multi million deal with the Army to make 45's for special ops.
Would like catch one of them if and when avail...

Oh man sorry for the mistake for quoting Army meant Marines..

Originally Posted by wago9900

Got as few colts also. just bought a Para Ltc, sweet gun, great trigger. Just read Colt got multi million deal with the Army to make 45's for special ops.
Would like catch one of them if and when avail...

I've carried my Firestorm for 5 years now, and shoot Steel Challenge. It's got over 10k through it with no broken or beaten parts. I just shoot, clean and lubricate. The ONLY malfunctions have been when I made a mistake with my reloads. Oh, yeah, every round but the first, the factory test, were handloads.
Have fun,
Gene

Have to be kimber for me.

Colt, the original and longest sustained mfg of the 1911.

Jimmy

I perfer the Nighthawk myself. I can't affor to spend $3K on a gun at the moment so I got a RIA 1911 Tacvtical yesterday. I have heard great things about them and, like S&W, have a lifetime warranty. In CA at the moment, 1911s are hard to come by along with almost everything else. I overpaid by about $30 but it had all the features that I wanted, extended beaver tail, combat hammer, wood grips, tactical sights, adjustable trigger etc. If i would have paid less and bought the parts that I wanted it would have been alot more than that. They are the same design at the Colt 1911. I hope its as good of a gun as I have heard. People say its a steal for the money. Besides, I have not owned a steel gun in years being that I have been shooting Glocks, M&Ps, XDs etc.