View Poll Results: Which 1911 brand do you prefer?

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  • Springfield

    323 22.92%
  • Kimber

    378 26.83%
  • Colt

    265 18.81%
  • Smith and Wesson

    86 6.10%
  • Para

    75 5.32%
  • Other (If so, please list)

    282 20.01%
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  1. #351
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    My best 1911 - a Sig Sauer C3, it's pretty much a copy of the Colt combat commander, a really great pistol but hard to find and buy!

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    Wow! This is a really old thread, but I just have to add my two cent worth anyway.

    I've owned 2 Colts (70 & 80 series Combat Commander), 2 Kimbers (Royal and a Eclipse II) and now a Springfield (Model 1911-A1). Out of all of them the one that I like and shoot the best is the Springfield. At 21 feet, off hand I can place all of my shots in the target where I can cover them with a golf ball. I don't consider that to bad for a "Plain Jane" 1911. This is one that won't get away.






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    1911's are like cars and trucks, everyone has their reason for a different brand.

    I work in a gun shop that carries a lot of 1911's, Kimber, Springfield , etc. Perosnally I like the Rock Island. The price is good, parts are easy to get. I have a 5" Tactical that will put 10 shot in a ragged hole at 25 yrds all day and my RI Compact shoots almost as good. I am 68 and my eyes aren't the best.So think what it could do with young eyes.
    Also I like that it is a 70 series pistol, easy to work on and adjust.
    Because of the price you can play with them make mods to suit you.

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    Yup!

    Guys who like expensive stuff buy Kimbers and Wilsons. (I speak to you from the land of Microsoft, and I tell you true.)

    Guys who like to shoot 1911s, work with guns or work on guns buy Rock Islands.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jammersix View Post
    Yup!

    Guys who like expensive stuff buy Kimbers and Wilsons. (I speak to you from the land of Microsoft, and I tell you true.)

    Guys who like to shoot 1911s, work with guns or work on guns buy Rock Islands.
    I guess that's why we see so many professional shooters & instructors with Rock Islands.

    2011 IDPA World Championship Equipment Survey

    2010 IDPA Championship Equipment Survey

    2009 IDPA Championship Equipment Survey

    2008 IDPA Championship Equipment Survey

    # of Rock Island / Armscor: 0

    Wilson Combats
    - 2011: 20
    - 2010: 16
    - 2009: 12
    - 2008: 10

    Kimbers:
    - 2011: 16
    - 2010: 17
    - 2009: 18
    - 2008: 23

    I must be from the world of Apple

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    Quote Originally Posted by VAMarine View Post
    I guess that's why we see so many professional shooters & instructors with Rock Islands.

    2011 IDPA World Championship Equipment Survey

    2010 IDPA Championship Equipment Survey

    2009 IDPA Championship Equipment Survey

    2008 IDPA Championship Equipment Survey

    # of Rock Island / Armscor: 0

    Wilson Combats
    - 2011: 20
    - 2010: 16
    - 2009: 12
    - 2008: 10

    Kimbers:
    - 2011: 16
    - 2010: 17
    - 2009: 18
    - 2008: 23

    I must be from the world of Apple
    VA - Those are great stats. However I come from a revolver sport and I am new to 1911's but one thing is common, champions do not use less expensive firearms - not because they are less effective or dependable, but because champions have money. Period...... period period period. they can affrod lots of ammo and the best guns, and when they get good they get free stuff, to help support their effort. period. I have seen this time and time again.

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    So, if the Hi-Point were the the best firearm ever created, and still one of the cheapest, you are saying that champions wouldn't use them, because they aren't the most expensive?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ponzer04 View Post
    So, if the Hi-Point were the the best firearm ever created, and still one of the cheapest, you are saying that champions wouldn't use them, because they aren't the most expensive?
    No. I am just saying that the folks that are winning championships are folks that are serious about the sport. They can afford to become very proficiant at it. That means that they buy the best and burn up lots of ammo and guns. and they then win. give the guy or gal a RIA after they win,They will probalby still win. but when you can command any firearrm you want, do shoot for Kimber or RIA? most likely you shoot for Kimber.

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    Quote Originally Posted by john4645 View Post
    VA - Those are great stats. However I come from a revolver sport and I am new to 1911's but one thing is common, champions do not use less expensive firearms - not because they are less effective or dependable, but because champions have money. Period...... period period period. they can affrod lots of ammo and the best guns, and when they get good they get free stuff, to help support their effort. period. I have seen this time and time again.
    That would be great if I were talking about champions. In IDPA any IDPA member that has participated in two sanctioned matches can go and attend the national match. In a couple of years of going to various IDPA and USPSA matches in my state and state matches in WI, IL, and MO, I think I've seen one Rock Island being used at the local match level. If you look at the attendance of the National matches I referenced earlier, the Master Class shooters are in the minority.

    Taking date from one year, 2010 we have the following for shooters that would be running 1911s. The sharp shooter class was the most predominant. You will probably find the same results for other matches. Now while that doesn't break down who was running Wilsons and Kimbes, but it sill shots you 175 competitors, Expert and below NOT using Rock Islands.

    Total Shooters by Division and Class
    Total MA EX SS MM
    CDP 88 14 22 31 21
    ESP 121 20 31 32 38






    As for the parts of the quoted post above in in bold, which is it?
    People that like to shoot 1911s a lot, and often don't choose Filipino imports with cast frames. The champs don't shoot the guns they do to brag about the price tag, and neither do most of the serious 1911 shooters I've come across.

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    Hey Marine you forgot two other 1911 Kimber & Springfield Aromry here are the numbers of Kmber & Springfield Armory used in the last four years of the IDPA . 2011 Kimber 16 Springfield Armory 12 . 2010 Kimber 17 Springfield Armory 23 . 2009 Kimber 18 Springfield Armory 17 . 2008 Kimber 23 Springfield Armory 12. Another reason why they won't use the guns from the Philippines because the frames are cast steel not hammer forged steel & cast steel won't take that kind of abuse. they go through more ammo in one month that most people go through in a lifetime. if you start putting 10000 rounds through a cast steel frame every month or two month it won't be long before that frame will crack. that why they use 1911 made in the U.S.A. because most of there frames are hammer forged & even the Springfield Armory frames which are made in Brazil are hammer forged that why they use them as well

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    Quote Originally Posted by 45 View Post
    Hey Marine you forgot two other 1911 Kimber & Springfield Aromry here are the numbers of Kmber & Springfield Armory used in the last four years of the IDPA . 2011 Kimber 16 Springfield Armory 12 . 2010 Kimber 17 Springfield Armory 23 . 2009 Kimber 18 Springfield Armory 17 . 2008 Kimber 23 Springfield Armory 12. Another reason why they won't use the guns from the Philippines because the frames are cast steel not hammer forged steel & cast steel won't take that kind of abuse. they go through more ammo in one month that most people go through in a lifetime. if you start putting 10000 rounds through a cast steel frame every month or two month it won't be long before that frame will crack. that why they use 1911 made in the U.S.A. because most of there frames are hammer forged & even the Springfield Armory frames which are made in Brazil are hammer forged that why they use them as well
    How do you figure?


    Quote Originally Posted by Jammersix View Post
    Yup!

    Guys who like expensive stuff buy Kimbers and Wilsons. (I speak to you from the land of Microsoft, and I tell you true.)

    Guys who like to shoot 1911s, work with guns or work on guns buy Rock Islands.
    Quote Originally Posted by VAMarine View Post
    I guess that's why we see so many professional shooters & instructors with Rock Islands.

    2011 IDPA World Championship Equipment Survey

    2010 IDPA Championship Equipment Survey

    2009 IDPA Championship Equipment Survey

    2008 IDPA Championship Equipment Survey

    # of Rock Island / Armscor: 0

    Wilson Combats
    - 2011: 20
    - 2010: 16
    - 2009: 12
    - 2008: 10

    Kimbers:
    - 2011: 16
    - 2010: 17
    - 2009: 18
    - 2008: 23

    I must be from the world of Apple

    As for Springfield, it wasn't forgetfulness as there was no reason to include Springfield regarding a statement made regarding Kimbers, Wilsons, and Rock Islands.

    Now for the record, I would rather rather own a Rock Island than a Kimber and have nothing against the RIA, but the claim that "guys who like to shoot" buy Rocks instead of "Expensive X" even if made in jest deserved a little bit of deflation.

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    Just asking. You can buy a Rock Island (designed and manufactured by Armscor in Marikina City, Philippines) for $599, and with no modifications, you can win four IDPA Championships?

    That is impressive.

    Especially since the Philippines would still be controlled by Japan, except for the original 1911:


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    Sorry about that I was half asleep when I first saw it. the only reason I mentiond Springfield Armory is because I like them. I just can't afford one right now mabye some day I will own a loaded stainless I can dream can't I.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 45 View Post
    Hey Marine you forgot two other 1911 Kimber & Springfield Aromry here are the numbers of Kmber & Springfield Armory used in the last four years of the IDPA . 2011 Kimber 16 Springfield Armory 12 . 2010 Kimber 17 Springfield Armory 23 . 2009 Kimber 18 Springfield Armory 17 . 2008 Kimber 23 Springfield Armory 12. Another reason why they won't use the guns from the Philippines because the frames are cast steel not hammer forged steel & cast steel won't take that kind of abuse. they go through more ammo in one month that most people go through in a lifetime. if you start putting 10000 rounds through a cast steel frame every month or two month it won't be long before that frame will crack. that why they use 1911 made in the U.S.A. because most of there frames are hammer forged & even the Springfield Armory frames which are made in Brazil are hammer forged that why they use them as well
    Dan Wesson, Ruger, Caspian Arms, and others have used cast frames at one time or another, or in some cases, still are. Quality cast frames will hold up fine. How many people actually have frame cracking issues with a modern steel frame 1911? Unless you're building a .460 Rowland, it really is unlikely to ever become an issue. Aluminum alloy on the other hand...

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    Was wanting a 45 and picked up a Star 45 for a good price. Shoots good and is accurate, all steel, little on the heavy side but for a small 45 that helps take out some of the recoil. Have'nt had any problems with it so far and it is fun to shoot. Wanted a 45 and the price was right at the time. No longer made but from all the reviews I've read they are a pretty reliable pistol. I like it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by plinker56 View Post
    I like it.
    ...and that, sir.... is ALL that counts Congrats on your new purchase

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    Colt. Everything else is just a copy. Including my Ruger SR1911.

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    Whats wrong with cast frames ? actually cast frames will last 2 or3 times longer than forged. Ruger and Caspain seem to like them.

    Recoil supressors on tanks use cast instead of forged, lighter and last longer. Army must know something

    Not trying to start anything here, just adding that in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Overkill0084 View Post
    Dan Wesson, Ruger, Caspian Arms, and others have used cast frames at one time or another, or in some cases, still are. Quality cast frames will hold up fine. How many people actually have frame cracking issues with a modern steel frame 1911? Unless you're building a .460 Rowland, it really is unlikely to ever become an issue. Aluminum alloy on the other hand...
    Caspain uses cast frames and have a lifetime warranty on them--they have had forged frames come back with cracks, but NEVER a cast frame.

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    I own four 1911, a SS kimber 5" barrel, a Para 5" barrel, a Para 3" barrel and an American Classic Amigo, made in the phillipines and sold through Bersa with a 3.5" barrel. They all shot very well out the box except for the amigo that would have a FTFs every once in a while, I could have been limp wristing for that gun..after a about 200 rounds and a firmer grip with it the problem disappeared. Kimbers, Colts, Les Baer, etc are very good but very expensive. Paras are middle of the range $600-$800. But in the $400-$575.00 range you have very good choices available, such as the aforementioned Amigo and Rock Island Armory, very basic 1911s, no frills, you will probably never win a national match with them, but hey they are great for target shooting, home defense and even concealed carry at very reasonable prices...I guess it all come down to how much you want to spend

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    I got my PT11 SA 38 Super today, got it at CDNN $399 + Tax, it's a works gloss black pimp gun with the gold trim and a rail. I thought for $400 it would be an excellent house gun if it function propper and I could put a light or laser on it and if ever needed to use it in defence of the family I would not have to hand over a $1000 Colt or $2000 Dan Wesson.

    It took almost two hours to get the dried oil cleand out of the gun and it re-oiled and the rails greased so I can shoot it tomorrow. Then I loaded a 100 rounds of 125gr JHP over 4.5gr of Unique to start the the break-in with, instead of some of the hotter stuff. And since it's a non ramped barrel and a HD weapon it will not be shooting and lead like my custom DW Razorback with ramped barrel.



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    I had to go with the Springfields.

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    Quote Originally Posted by berettatoter View Post
    I had to go with the Springfields.
    I have one of those, long slide 10mm Omega.



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    I have owned many 1911's over the years and I am fortunate to be able to purchase whatever I want. I go for what works plain and simple.

    In the last few years I have relied completely on Springfield Armory TRP Operators in one version or another. They are reliable, accurate and do everything I require of them at a decent price. I have never owned a $5000 custom 1911, I have shot several of them but never had the desire to own one.

    Here is my TRP Operator



    In regards to the RIA guns.
    Guys who like to shoot 1911s, work with guns or work on guns buy Rock Islands.
    You better know how to work on 1911's.

    The RIA guns are basic guns and while they serve a purpose they will only take you so far in the game so to speak. I own RIA guns. My last one I purchased a Commander size simply for the frame to use my Kimber .22 upper on. In stock configuration they are good for what they are an entry level 1911. They are a good base gun to build on but again they will only take you so far.

    The stock RIA


    With the Kimber upper


    Everyone has their favorite brand but they are all basically the same gun with added bells and whistles but some folks can take that same box of parts and put them together in a way that takes it to the next level of performance.

    Another one of my favorite 1911's is my Para Carry 9. Although it has a different trigger system with Light Double Action setup everything else is true 1911. If you have never shot one of these type trigger's they are amazing.


    Like anything else in life quality cost money and it all depends on how much you want to spend. There are many, many 1911's out there so there is something to fit everyone's budget or desires.

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