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    Re: MUST BE RIGHT

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    C & L must be right--That is the way we were taught in the service and we all know the GOVERNMENT IS ALWAYS CORRECT--just ask them.

    :-D :-D

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    I don't know what service you were in but in my 13 years in Army I carried a 45 most of time first few years and all time when I switched to MP's Never was I taught C&L or was it allowed except when you were sure contact us about to take place. Only time I carried C&L was the year+ I was on special assigment off base in civies and packing my personal 45 Commander with the PM's approval. He still made me carry ball in stead of super vel.

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    Yes, I too have heard that most military were made to carry w/ the hammer down and no round in the chamber.

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    Re: MUST BE RIGHT

    Quote Originally Posted by michael t
    Quote Originally Posted by RONNIE J
    C & L must be right--That is the way we were taught in the service and we all know the GOVERNMENT IS ALWAYS CORRECT--just ask them.

    :-D :-D

    RJ
    I don't know what service you were in but in my 13 years in Army I carried a 45 most of time first few years and all time when I switched to MP's Never was I taught C&L or was it allowed except when you were sure contact us about to take place. Only time I carried C&L was the year+ I was on special assignment off base in civvies and packing my personal 45 Commander with the PM's approval. He still made me carry ball in stead of super vel.
    That was my point--how does an MP (or AP) know that contact is not just a wisp away no matter where the duty--but in all fairness C&L was our combat carry and ball is all we were issued. In KOREA my room mate was the base small arms instructor and ranted and raved --true most USAF personnel are issued the 38 spl at this time 30 years + ago --they were made to carry on an empty with the revolver--Most of my duty was spent on assignment to other branches or in civvis and in L.A. we were issued 38 supers--for what reason I am not sure. I was not AIR Police but did shoot with a lot of them on the range--but the service bosssssses are always right--huh--
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    ...loaded with hammer down....not a single mishap in over 30 years 8)

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    but what happens when you need to use it. Hope you don't have to challeage anyone who is cocked and locked. I bet your finger goes on the trigger before it's needed. To each his own.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spacedoggy
    but what happens when you need to use it. Hope you don't have to challeage anyone who is cocked and locked. I bet your finger goes on the trigger before it's needed. To each his own.


    ....the finger goes on the trigger when I decide it's time....'enuff said.

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    1911 cocked & locked

    That was a good article.Chuck Taylor knows his business. I carry in condition one.I don't worry about any one thinking it is not safe since they will not see it unless they are a BG assaulting me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RONNIE J View Post
    That was my point--how does an MP (or AP) know that contact is not just a wisp away no matter where the duty--but in all fairness C&L was our combat carry and ball is all we were issued. In KOREA my room mate was the base small arms instructor and ranted and raved --true most USAF personnel are issued the 38 spl at this time 30 years + ago --they were made to carry on an empty with the revolver--Most of my duty was spent on assignment to other branches or in civvis and in L.A. we were issued 38 supers--for what reason I am not sure. I was not AIR Police but did shoot with a lot of them on the range--but the service bosssssses are always right--huh--
    RJ
    I was an Air Force SP from 1979-1983. We always carried the .38 full, the M-16 with on in the chamber w/30 round mag and three spares.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tnoisaw View Post
    I was an Air Force SP from 1979-1983. We always carried the .38 full, the M-16 with on in the chamber w/30 round mag and three spares.
    +1 with toonoisy
    6 years as a USAF AP and carried a S&W 38spl with all 6 holes full,when we carried m16's for nuke convoys had 120 rds and we were locked and loaded!

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    There is no other way to carry a 1911 type but "Cocked and Locked". Any other choice turns it in to no more than a short club.

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    Condition 1 Cocked & Locked is the only safe way to carry a 1911....of course you could carry it with empty chamber and hammer down but if you need to use the gun...do you have time to rack the slide? I wouldn't think so.

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    Funny...I had a recent incident at my home that led me to examine this, it goes a little beyond carry.

    In any carry situation that I have been in cocked and locked for a 1911 gets my vote, I only carry with the assumption that I would have to engage someone else who has drawn.

    As far as nightstand etc. Im not so sure, everything I have is locked at home, I don't like it but I worry about someone getting into the stuff when Im not around.

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