Does Taurus just copy everyone's guns, or did you put those grips on that Eclipse look-alike?
My Taurus 1911 doesn't like Speer Gold Dot ammo. I have 6 mags (2 taurus, 2 Mec Gar, and 2 Kimber), so I guess I've had 6 FTFeed.
I've fired around 750 rnds of various other brands of FMJ and JHP without any problems. Hope to get another 200-300 today... Bass Pro Shop had WWB for $20.99/50, so I bought eight!
Does Taurus just copy everyone's guns, or did you put those grips on that Eclipse look-alike?
Those don't look like Taurus grips. It's a 1911, so unless it says Colt it's a clone.So I would guess that everyone has that to want to make them look like. I wouldn't think Taurus was trying to make one look like a Kimber. But I haven't seen a two tone from the factory either.
Pretty cool looking though. My PT1911's have more rounds that I would want to count and have yet to give me a problem. It's in the thousands but I really don't know how many rounds. If I had to guess around 1800 to 2200 rounds in the stainless one. The blued around 1000-1500.
So-called "double-diamond" checkered grips were always standard-issue equipment on M1911s, both civilian and G.I. Therefore, modern 1911 clones are very frequently found bearing one form or another of "double-diamond" grip panels.
Taurus isn't copying your Eclipse. Instead, both are copying Colt.
I was referring to the similarities in the black finish with exposed flats along with the grips. I saw that Taurus 1911 and thought, "First beretta, now this?!"
I don't own one of these Kimbers, but have long admired the finish on them.
I currently own a Kimber and a Smith & Wesson .45.
They are both very good guns.
The Smith is 20 years old (I bought it new) and carried it as my duty gun.
The Kimber is brand new and a dream to shoot - it comes with a lot of "gunsmith" custom work already done to it.
Most of my "failures" happened with my Smith when it was brand new & not well "broken in".
I haven't had any failures on my new Kimber.
Made entirely in the Kimber Custom Shop.
Night Sights, Meprolight Tritium 3-dot night sights.
Compact and Pro Carry pistols have 4-inch bushingless match grade bull barrels.
Barrels and chambers are match grade for accuracy.
Breech faces are polished.
Ejection ports are lowered and flared for reliable function.
Slides are machined from solid stainless steel and given a satin finish that will not reflect light.
Compact Stainless II has a shorter frame yet retains 7-round magazine capacity. 8 rounds is a Wilson Combat Magazine.
Kimber aluminum frames have been lab tested to over 20,000 rounds without evidence of meaningful wear.
All Compact and Pro Carry pistols use a proven single recoil spring design.
Available with steel, stainless steel or lightweight aluminum frames that reduce overall weight.
Crimson Trace® Lasergrips.
Deep front strap checkering 30 lines-per-inch.
Deep rear strap checkering 30 lines-per-inch.
Deep trigger front grooving.
Deep bottom trigger guard checkering 30 lines-per-inch.
Checkered flat mainspring housing.
Match grade Premium Aluminum Trigger
Sights and edges are rounded and blended for easy carry w/o snagging clothing.
Beveled magazine well.
Magazine release button is extended for fast reloading.
Match grade trigger breaks clean and consistently every time.
Extended ambidextrous thumb safety.
Kimber aluminum frames are machined from solid blocks of 7075-T7 aluminum to the same critical dimensions as the steel frames.
The S&W .45 I carried on duty had almost none of these - I added a lot to it .
As I said before - you can get all of this on almost any .45 with the help of a gunsmith & after market parts , but it's available straight from the factory when you buy the Kimber I bought.
Last edited by dondavis3; 08-17-2009 at 08:39 AM.
Not sure what your asking?
The Kimber comes in all kinds of models and configurations - cost depends on what you want on it - the cheapest I've ever seen was at a gun show for around $900 the most expensive around $1600 at a gun shop.
If your asking about the cost of the Crimson Trace grips alone, I've seen them online from $260 to $359 for the model that came on my Kimber model Crimson Trace laser grips, LG 401-P1.
I hope this helps.
Last edited by dondavis3; 08-17-2009 at 08:22 AM.
Only about 400 rounds fired so far, but it has not had a failure. I have only used the following: Winchester ST/JHP and Target Ball, and some (10 rnds) reloaded LSWC/HP so far. So needless to say I am happy with my new HD gun. Almost forgot to mention it's a Para 1911 model 14-45 Gun Rights.
Had my Kimber SLE for several years now. Zero hiccups. Have shot WW, Fed, REM, Hornady, Speer, and SWC reloads. Am very happy with the pistol. See ya, Bill
i voted no probs.
my current springer champ op and para gi expert are flawless.
however, my very first handgun years ago, was a norinco 1911. it was a complete piece of !
constantly jammed, ftf's and fte's. my dad traded it for a nice cannon slr camera a couple years ago
The failure rate of the 1911 handgun is proportional to the departure away from the original design concepts by John Moses Browning.
It was never intended to be a "Target Weapon". It was designed to be a close range self defense weapon for our military personnel. It was designed to be shot from a horse and to be loaded and activated with one hand. Please see the original Military Operations Manual at this location http://www.sightm1911.com/manual/manual.htm
It was designed to shoot round nose bullets of 230 grains that John Moses Browning also invented. It was designed to have very loose tolerances to operate in all types of conditions.
The more you stray away from the original design the higher the chance for failure get. Come on people, you can drive nails with a glass challis too until it breaks also!......
I've been watching this post for quite a while now. I've said it before, and I'll say it again. If you aren't having any malfunctions in your gun, there's only a few reasons for it...
1. You're the luckiest person on the planet and got a great gun.
2. You're the best shooter ever and always have perfect form.
3. You're not counting all malfunctions by placing blame on something else (ammo, shooter, dust in your eye)
4. You're not shooting your gun very much.
Mechanical failures are a certainty in any mechanical device. Introduce the human element into the equation and something just doesn't add up. A malfunction is a malfunction is a malfunction, regardless of what may have caused it.
I had 11 failures within the first 685 rounds fired in my Kimber. I've now put 3643 rounds through the gun. No failures, jams, stovepipes, etc since round number 685.
Good maintenance? (I've changed the springs according to the manual, clean and lube the gun on a regular basis)
Perfect form? (my doctor tells me my coumadin level is perfect, but she hasn't said anything about my form)
Not counting all the shots? (yes, actually I am counting all the shots. Among those 11 were some I blamed for my wife's limp-wristing [she doesn't shoot this gun anymore], or bad ammo - it didn't like Monarch or WWB 230 grain ammo)
Not considered to have been shot much? (I don't know what this standard is)
Or am I lying? (No - but then if I lied about the above, then I'm probably lying about this. My opinion is that I'm not lying)
So has it had failures? Yes. Based on my criteria above, she had 2 failures after the 500 round break-in period.
But she has not had any failures in the last 2,721 rounds.
I can believe that some folk have had no failures after the break in period.
Never argue with drunks or crazy people.
I can't totally agree with you here Zur. With a 1911 if you have a decent one..Don't have to be any top of the line stuff..Just decent and you take the proper care it will function as it should always. With a 1911 you have to be a lot more careful with things like springs. Especially the recoil spring. The recoil spring will wear faster than they do in many other type weapons. They start to collapse over time and will get weaker because of it and that will cause problems. This is why you will see say..A Springfield Mil-Spec that has a 14-16 # spring fail before you will a higher dollar 1911 that has a 18-20 # spring. You only need a 16# to make the weapon work right with most all store bought ammo but if it gets sloppy and you get failures. The weapon with the 20# spring can fire many more rounds before that spring gets below the 15-16# level and really needs replaced.l so people think the weapon is built so much better. This also answers why some higher end 1911's require a break in period. Because they have the heavier springs and can be too tight for some store bought ammo. While most middle and lower shelf 1911's do not say the require the same break in time.
One of the biggest shortcomings for a 1911 according to non 191 people will be that they require too much maintenance to perform at their top level. Where newer style combat weapons can go much longer without it. Many non 1911 people will concede that the 1911 can and many times will be more accurate. And anyone that knows anything about weapons knows the more accurate the tighter the weapon needs to be. And that tighter tolerance leads for less places for dirt to go before it becomes a problem. Add that to the issues with some springs and you have a recipe for failure. But it can be avoided most the time of the 1911 user keeps a sharp eye out for things before they become an issue. I like most 1911 shooters always has an extra spring or two laying around. I keep one just to compare against one in the weapon. It starts to get to .75" shorter it needs replaced or I will have a problem.
Using this info I have been able to say honestly that I have a a 1911 that started life as a Mil-Spec that has had thousands of rounds fired and without a problem. I have a PT1911 that can say the same. As with my Para LTC. I did have an issue once with an RIA but I did not check things as close as I should have when I took it down to clean it when new. It stove piped once. I changed the spring to a 16# and it worked well until I sold it. I'm not I don't see the guy that has it much so I can't speak of it's lack of failure now. I do shoot at least one of my 1911's every time I shoot. I will shoot at least 100 rounds through it. And they all perform as I expect them to. But like I said I have to pay closer attention to them than I will my Sig Sauers, Browning Pro-40, or even my Buckmark. I learned my attention to detail in a 1911 from a man that carried one through two wars. And he always said because of that attention he was able to come home from both.
For me grip is not as much an issue with a 1911 unless you are using some pretty tight springs and ammo that is not loaded real hot(down loaded target stuff). But I load my ammo to simulate my carry ammo. I never understood the lighter load to target than carry. But I guess that's just me.
Ok... I should have clarified. I'm approaching about 30k thru my 1911.
Please note, I never said anyone was a liar, I just said something isn't adding up.
I meticulously maintain my gun, new springs, with spares in the bag. Good lube and good cleaning regimen. I've had 40 stoppages over those ~30k rounds.
I guess I just get tired of hearing terms like "flawless" and "perfect" and "unbelievable" from people that shoot 300 rounds thru their gun and call it hard use and seeing 77% of the vote going to zero stoppages. It just doesn't add up on one level or another.
Sorry, I'm just pissy... still.