View Poll Results: How many failures has your 1911 had since break-in?

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  • 0 - None, Nada, No Problems

    186 65.72%
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    57 20.14%
  • 6 - 10

    12 4.24%
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    8 2.83%
  • 20+ - I quit counting

    10 3.53%
  • Its a PITA/I had to sell it

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    There must be something wrong where I live at and the league I am in. So far I have seen 3-Glocks, 1-XD, and two 1911's fail at the line and we just shoot 60rds slow fire per night. What I am seeing is anything can and will fail when it comes to these Bottom Feeders. There's more than a few revolvers and so far I have not seen any failures. Most any mechanical devise can and will fail for any number of reasons and it's up to the operator to maintain it.

    To me 1,700rds without cleaning a gun is just asking for trouble.

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    If you don't want to clean your guns, maybe the "plastics" are best. It was drilled in me over 50 years ago, if you shoot it, you clean it. Still do that to this day and haven't had many issues with any of the guns I've owned over the years. Can't remember any of my 1911s choking on factory ammo after breakin.....but my memory ain't what it used to be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Barham View Post
    Sort of like the posts in this thread that blame malfunctioning 1911s on bad ammo and bad magazines?

    People make excuses for guns they like.
    One of the Berettas choked once, but it was with a Check-Mate magazine, so I can't hold that against the pistol. It ran fine once the student put the Check-Mate magazine where it belonged: in the trash barrel.
    Mike,
    I thought I recalled you mentioning that one of the pistols, (Beretta) choked due to a crappy magazine from Check-Mate. Now, we can't have it both ways here so, is it possible that magazines can cause issues? You bet your wagon it is. Is there a bit of a contradiction in your statements? I think so, but I think it might be that you are biased against the 1911 platform. I could be wrong, as you've mentioned that you used to own a few as I recall, but to say that people make excuses for guns they like after having said that a Beretta choked due to a bad magazine seems odd.

    I mentioned that, like what you said in quote one, people will overlook certain faults because they "want" it to be reliable, but I think this is because often times, after dropping $1100 on a pistol, they just can't believe that it's the pistols fault for failing. I know I used to do that, until I actually started diagnosing problems and fixing the problem, not my perception. I started with the obvious, tried different type of bullets, changed and marked the supposed 'bad mags' and shot some more. Some issues went away, some didn't. Put the pistol on a rest, a lot of issues went away, I didn't. Key point there is that I was the issue most of the times, and I had to learn to shoot that pistol differently than other pistols. It gives some creedence to the notion of shooting one pistol all the time and shooting it well.

    My point is, there are circumstances that cause pistols to fail more than they should, and diagnosing those issues is much cheaper than plunking down another $700 for a different pistol most times. I just ordered some new magazines for testing. Was my 1911 choking like an allergetic bumble bee? No, but it does have it's issues, and magazines need to be replaced from time to time, as do springs and other parts.

    I think it comes down to what you shoot best, and for a lot of people, the 1911 platform is just too damn 'pointable' to ignore. If a high maintenance schedule and pure, unadulterated admiration of the 1911 is your bag, great, it's mine, but if polyguns and low maintenance are your thing, more power to you. I have both, I shoot both, I love both. I don't rag on other pistol platforms aside from HiPoints but that's because they are uglier than my Glock, and I wasn't sure that was possible until I saw one in person.
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    No offense taken!

    I don't particularly like the M9, and I'm not excusing it. If you read above, I did not mention the M9 as one of the guns that performed flawlessly at Gunsite, only XDs, M&P, and HK. I have also repeatedly mentioned that one of the six Glocks choked twice. The M9 Check-Mate mags are well-known as deathtraps in theater, so I do not know why the vet brought one, but he discarded it immediately. His gun ran perfectly for the rest of the course.

    All that said, even a single M9 malfunction is small potatoes compared to the 1911 malfunctions I saw at the course. I literally lost count of the Para malfunctions on the first day, and watched a Kimber choke three times in a single string of fire.

    Despite the impression I apparently give, I like the 1911. I really do. I carried one for years, and have always said that it's the easiest service pistol shoot fast and well. But pretending it's just as reliable as more modern pistols is to disregard reality. Then again, I don't baby my guns. I treat them as tools. And I don't think one or two hundred rounds between cleanings is much of a test.
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    I have the G-19, M&P-9, and a SV-40 in the modern line of pistols. After a trip to the range they are every bit as dirty as my 1911's are. I have tried many different powders and there's no such thing as a clean burning powder. They all will dirty your gun up. I do more than just clean my guns as I inspect them also when putting them back together. I also clean my mags about 3 times a year. I also keep fresh mag and return springs on hand. Just my way.

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    I will admit that my preference for Glocks is partly colored by my sloth-like cleaning regimen.

    I did clean my 1911 a lot when I carried it, for fear of malfunctions. Now I can accept my true lazy ways.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zhurdan View Post
    choking like an allergetic bumble bee?
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    I guess I just clean my guns because it's something that puts me and my wife in the same room while I do it. She's purdy and stuff.

    Actually, we watch TV together and I clean my guns. Kind of a ritual now. So, I don't much mind the cleaning part, especially being that the reason I continue to love guns is because of their mechanical simplicities/complexities. Seeing how it all works facinates me. I'll even clean 'em when they don't need cleaning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zhurdan View Post
    I guess I just clean my guns because it's something that puts me and my wife in the same room while I do it. She's purdy and stuff.

    Actually, we watch TV together and I clean my guns. Kind of a ritual now. So, I don't much mind the cleaning part, especially being that the reason I continue to love guns is because of their mechanical simplicities/complexities. Seeing how it all works facinates me. I'll even clean 'em when they don't need cleaning.

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    I wonder if they'll let us bring our guns when the kids send us to the nursing home?

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    +1 on the problems with poly guns and limp wrist.

    I have owned three Glocks a 19 a 26 and a 23. I have never had a malfunction with any one of these pistols. However, my daughter can limp wrist the 19 to malfunction about once per mag.

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    I picked up my Les Baer new last night. Went straight to the range. Fired 200 rounds and left it alone. It won't get cleaned until at least 500 rounds. And judging by others I know who have the same gun, it will continue to work just fine. Just like my 20 year old Taurus that everyone says is junk. I have never had a failure with that one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zhurdan View Post
    I guess I just clean my guns because it's something that puts me and my wife in the same room while I do it. She's purdy and stuff.

    Actually, we watch TV together and I clean my guns.

    Zhur
    How do you get your wife to stay in the same room while you're using Hoppes #9? Mine wouldn't even come in the house, then summer got here and I'm not allowed to open that bottle in the house. Do you have a cleaning solvent that doesn't have the strong aroma (I likes it) that Hoppes has? If so, clue me in. Thanks.

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    After she complained once in the winter that I had to go downstairs to the basement to clean my guns (it's cold in the basement), I said, "Ok, but fairs fair!" A couple of days later, she was doing her toenails with that nasty nail polish remover... to the basement she was told to go... problem solved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zhurdan View Post
    After she complained once in the winter that I had to go downstairs to the basement to clean my guns (it's cold in the basement), I said, "Ok, but fairs fair!" A couple of days later, she was doing her toenails with that nasty nail polish remover... to the basement she was told to go... problem solved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zhurdan View Post
    After she complained once in the winter that I had to go downstairs to the basement to clean my guns (it's cold in the basement), I said, "Ok, but fairs fair!" A couple of days later, she was doing her toenails with that nasty nail polish remover... to the basement she was told to go... problem solved.

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    I told mine the same thing. She complained once and I just shot back about her nail polish remover. Not another peep out of her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oak1971 View Post
    I picked up my Les Baer new last night. Went straight to the range. Fired 200 rounds and left it alone. It won't get cleaned until at least 500 rounds. And judging by others I know who have the same gun, it will continue to work just fine. Just like my 20 year old Taurus that everyone says is junk. I have never had a failure with that one.
    I have no doubt about the LB, but why do you chose not to clean it for 500rds? As soon as I get a new gun I clean and oil it and then I shoot the fire out of it.

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    On recommendations from other Les Baer owners. They say Les recommends that you leave the gunk in there for 500 rounds for the final lapping of frame and slide. I ran a bore snake through the barrel and wiped out the chamber.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tekhead1219 View Post
    How do you get your wife to stay in the same room while you're using Hoppes #9? Mine wouldn't even come in the house, then summer got here and I'm not allowed to open that bottle in the house. Do you have a cleaning solvent that doesn't have the strong aroma (I likes it) that Hoppes has? If so, clue me in. Thanks.
    Just a note that may interest people here:
    Some women love the smell of Hoppe's #9!
    It turns out to be genetically related. There's a human gene that controls whether or not a person, male or female, enjoys the smell of what are called "aromatic esters," such as gasoline and Hoppe's #9, and nail-enamel solvent, too.

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    Another 100 rnds and 0 failures....Yawn.
    I will shoot 200 more tomorrow.

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    Of course there is something of a difference between a hand-fitted custom gun like a Baer and a production gun. The instructors at Gunsite playfully go down the line and ask people about their guns:

    Instructor: "How much was your gun?"

    Student with Kimber: "$900."

    I: "It'll make it until tomorrow."

    *****

    I: "How much was your gun?"

    S with Colt: "$1200."

    I: "It'll make it until Tuesday."

    *****

    I: "How much was your gun?"

    S with Wilson: "$2600."

    I: "It'll make it until Thursday."

    *****

    I: "How much was your gun?"

    S with Glock/XD/M&P: "$500."

    I: "You'll be fine for the whole course."
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