Originally Posted by zhurdan

Ohhh right... I forgot, our pick up trucks, and mullets. Goes right along with our biscuits and gravy. In fact, some special forces use the 1911's, as do SRT teams in the States. The reason the military went with 9mm was for weight to quantity of ammo ratio's as well as supply line concerns. I think it had very little to do with the fact that the 1911 was "unreliable". If it were the case, they would have chosen the HK45 during their trials, but they didn't, because it was about what I mentioned, supply line and weight to qty of ammo ratio.

That's not entirely accurate. The JSSAP trials that resulted in the M9 were instituted for many reasons.

The first was that the 1911s then in service were wearing out, the last batch having been purchased shortly after WWII.

Second was ammo compatibility with NATO countries, as the STANAGs (standardization agreements) required.

Third was a desire for a lighter-recoiling pistol for troops who are/were inexperienced with pistols, who complained that the 1911 kicked too hard.

Fourth was a desire for a pistol more reliable than the 1911. The 1911s used for comparison in the JSSAP trials were markedly less reliable than the modern pistols entered in the competition. IIRC, the 1911s had something like 500 mean rounds before failure, while the modern pistols were well into the thousands or tens of thousands.

Fifth was a desire for a DA pistol with a decocker, as the 1911 was found to be less safe in the hands of inexperienced troops, leading to many NDs.

Sixth was a desire for a high-capacity pistol, to give inexperienced troops more chances to hit the enemy.

Neither the HK45 nor the Mk 23 nor the USP existed during the original JSSAP trials. At the time, I believe the only HK .45 pistol available was the P9S, which met few of the JSSAP criteria.

All that said, a reliable 1911 is a very fine fighting pistol. It's just that the chances of getting a reliable one are considerably less than getting a reliable modern pistol.

But I don't think Ill be doing what those test are stating. I wont be crawling through mud, than freezing my gun all while shooting and reloaded.. lol just saying.

On a side note... Here are my 1911's

Originally Posted by Delta Force

I have three Colt 1911's.I have a 38 Super/9mm a 10mm and a 45.

I own several manufacturers. Don't foret the .38 Super, .22 and .40 calibers.

Currently I have 5, but I've had over dozen.

I'm down a Colt, so I've been looking at older Commanders, but think it's going to have to wait a while.

I currently own a Wilson Combat KZ45 Compact.

My Les Baer/Harrison Custom and Dan Wesson Valor.

Originally Posted by oak1971

My Les Baer and Sig P220 elite stainless with night sights and SRT trigger.

Very nice.

WM

Thanks WM. I took both to the range today. I had a blast. The Sig is shoots great groups for a combat gun. The Baer was really shredding the bullseye.

Originally Posted by oak1971

Thanks WM. I took both to the range today. I had a blast. The Sig is shoots great groups for a combat gun. The Baer was really shredding the bullseye.

There's nothing (well, very few things) more satisfying than a paper target with a large jagged hole put in it by your gun!



WM

Originally Posted by Wandering Man

There's nothing (well, very few things) more satisfying than a paper target with a large jagged hole put in it by your gun!



WM

As long as you're the one making the jagged holes and not your buddy outshooting you with your gun.

I have two, one for targets (Springfield) one for daily carry (Kimber Tactical Ultra) and the best thing is the wife bought both of them for anniversary gifts! All I need is a dog and life is perfect-

Originally Posted by Phalanx1

All I need is a dog and life is perfect-

Chihuahua...

Originally Posted by Wandering Man

There's nothing (well, very few things) more satisfying than a paper target with a large jagged hole put in it by your gun!



WM

Amen!

A Springfield Stainless loaded 45, a Springfield EMP 9 MM....and I used to own a Kimber Ultra Aegis 9 MM... that I still am beating myself up for selling.

colt defender

I own a Springfield Hi cap loaded 1911.Only steel handgun I own.

Originally Posted by VegasEgo

But I don't think Ill be doing what those test are stating. I wont be crawling through mud, than freezing my gun all while shooting and reloaded.. lol just saying.

On a side note... Here are my 1911's

Where are the grips on your Kimbers from?

I just added a Para GI Expert to my collection

Just one to the guy who earlier said the 1911 is a dying breed. My first 2 handguns were poly(XD and Kahr P9), but after shooting a 1911, that was it for me, I just love everything about them. I guess like our old trucks, they'll be around forever. A superior design never dies. Good cars though they might be, how many Honda Civics you gonna see on the road in 40 years?

Besides, what poly guns look this sexy?

Originally Posted by YFZsandrider

Just one to the guy who earlier said the 1911 is a dying breed. My first 2 handguns were poly(XD and Kahr P9), but after shooting a 1911, that was it for me, I just love everything about them. I guess like our old trucks, they'll be around forever. A superior design never dies. Good cars though they might be, how many Honda Civics you gonna see on the road in 40 years?

Besides, what poly guns look this sexy?

No one is gonna say it any better than that I'll keep my old outdated 1911's

I have 2 a Charles Daly and a Para Ordnance GI Expert both were winners from local gun bashes and paid 3 bucks for each winning ticket

That's just not even right, I now don't like you very much hahaha.

I have one, like it so much I think I will have to go get another.

You just can beat the over all beauty,reliability,accuaracy and dependability of the 1911! I'm old School give me my 5" . It was good enough for me in the Nam it's good enough for any need I have here and now!

inherited my father's Colt 1911, definitely buying one of my own.

CURRENET LINEUP:



S.A. 5" G.I.
S.A. MIL-SPEC CHAMPION 4-1/4"
Colt S.S. ENHACNCED OFFICER'S 3-1/2"

Love 'em all

J.R.