View Poll Results: Which Premium Production 1911 and Why?

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  • Springfield Armory Loaded Target Stainless

    47 42.73%
  • Kimber Gold Match Stainless II

    42 38.18%
  • Smith and Wesson SW1911 DK

    21 19.09%
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    Which Premium Production 1911???

    Looking to spend between $1000-$1400 for a Production, Factory Warrantee, "Premium" 1911...

    Which and Why?

    1. Springfield Armory Loaded Target Stainless ($1048.00 MSRP)
    2. Kimber Gold Match Stainless II ($1427 MSRP)
    3. Smith and Wesson SW1911 DK ($1359.00 MSRP)

    SPRINGFIELD ARMORY:
    SA Loaded Target Stainless
    All Springfield Armory® Loaded 1911-A1 pistols include all the modern-day improvements that used to be performed only by custom gunsmiths. These features include: Precision-fit forged frames, slides and barrels, front and rear cocking serrations, flat, serrated mainspring housing, lowered and flared ejection port, delta lightweight hammer, loaded chamber indicator, titanium firing pin, Carry Bevel™ Treatment, ambidextrous thumb safety, High-Hand™ Beavertail Grip Safety, dovetail front sight, premium fixed or adjustable rear sights (many with tritium inserts), Torx™-head grip screws and lightweight, adjustable speed trigger.

    Frame: Forged Stainless Steel, Matte Rounds with Polished Flats
    Barrel: 5” Stainless Steel Match Grade Barrel and Bushing
    Sights: Low Profile Adjustable Rear, Dovetail, Front, Target
    Slide: Forged Stainless Steel, Matte Rounds with Polished Flats
    Trigger: Long Aluminum Match Grade, 5 - 6 lbs.
    Recoil System: 2 Piece Full Length Guide Rod
    Magazines: 2 - 7 Round, Stainless Steel
    Grips: Cocobolo Hardwood

    KIMBER:
    Model: Kimber Gold Match Stainless II™ / .45 ACP
    • Oversized 5-inch barrel fitted by hand in the Custom Shop for accuracy.
    • Kimber's adjustable sight with positive and responsive steel-on-steel click adjustment dials.
    • 8-round magazine is standard with all Gold Match pistols.
    • Premium Aluminum Trigger™ is standard on all Gold Match pistols.
    • All Gold Match and Team Match pistols have an ambidextrous thumb safety.
    Frame Material: Stainless steel
    Slide Material: Stainless steel
    Finish: Highly polished stainless steel (flats)
    Front serrations
    Barrel: 5”, Steel, match grade, Stainless steel match grade bushingSights: Kimber adjustable, Radius (inches): 6.8
    Grips: Rosewood Double diamond
    Trigger: Premium Aluminum Match Grade Factory setting (approx. lbs): 3.5 - 4.0
    MSRP: $1427.00 Gold Match Stainless II™ .45 ACP


    SMITH AND WESSON:
    Model SW1911 DK Pistol $1359.00 MSRP
    • Oversized Magazine Well
    • Ambidextrous Safety
    • "Designed in Collaboration with Doug Koenig"
    • 5" 1911 Configuration
    • Doug Koenig Hammer
    • Flat Competition Speed Trigger
    • Rosewood Grips with Smith & Wesson Silver Medallions
    • External Extractor for Extremely High Reliability
    • Adjustable Target Sights
    • "Doug Koenig" Professional (DKP) Serial Number Run
    For the ultimate competitive shooting pistol, Smith & Wesson is introducing the Doug Koenig Professional Series Model SW1911, designed in collaboration with Doug Koenig, the world's most accurate pistol shooter. These models feature Doug Koenig's Speed Hammer, Flat Competition Speed Trigger with Overtravel Stop and a variety of other special features that deliver superior accuracy and performance.

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    I'd get the Smith, no question about it. Better rep for reliability, and more thoughtfully laid out for practical shooting. I especially like the trigger.

    And I have a horrible weakness for 1911s with the correct two-tone layout of blue over silver.
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    Thumbs up

    I have two S&W's and they been very good guns right out of the box. I see no reason to change brands when I am getting the reliability that I am from the Smiths. I would get the DK model in a heart beat if I had the beans. Good luck with what ever you get Jeff.

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    I just have a thing for Springfield,I think they are all good weapons.

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    Mike, (and others)

    You like the external extractor? Why external over internal?

    Just want to know opinions...

    Jeff

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    I don't have a preference so long as the gun works. For all the hype about reliability, externals are mainly just for ease of manufacture. I've seen good and bad examples of both.
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    I hate to say it, but I wouldn't consider any of those real premium production 1911s. While all are quality guns, they are all lower end 1911s in the grand scheme of things. The Loaded is actually more of an entry level 1911, while the Smith and Kimber are above entry level, but still low end to low mid range 1911s. Not that there is anything wrong with that. I own many lower end 1911s that work great.


    If you can spend up to 1400, go with a Springfield TRP, Kimber Gold Combat II, Colt Special Combat, or STI Trojan. They are premium production 1911s and can be had for $1400 or slightly less.

    I think the best production 1911 is the Kimber Super Match II, but they cost $1700-$1800 in stores.

    I collect 1911s, so I'm giving you feebback based on experience and ownership of many models.

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    I have a Kimber and I love it. But I handled a Smith and Wesson recently and I love those too. I am considering getting one. I have an older Springfield, and I consider it to be an excellent defense pistol. I would like to have night sights on it.

    I say you cannot go wrong with the Kimber.

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    Kimber Gold Match Stainless II (low end?)
    or
    Kimber Gold Combat II (premium?)

    Same gun, different sights!!!!!

    TRP vs Loaded Springfield??? The TRP is a flat black "Loaded" with tritiums...

    The Trophy Match is the only step above the Loaded, and it's $1500+ if you can get one.

    Now the STI's... they might turn my head... Researching...

    JW

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    Quote Originally Posted by JeffWard View Post
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    Like I posted earlier, if you want a top notch production 1911 and are willing to spend $1400, forget those three. They are quality 1911s, but not what you said you are looking for.

    Take a look at these models. They normally run $1200-$1450.


    Sig Sauer STX








    STI Trojan hard chrome








    Springfield TRP stainless








    Colt Special Combat Government








    Kimber Super Match II. In my opinion the best production 1911 made. Prices are $1700-$1800. The Gold Combat is less and is basically the same gun without the accuracy guarentee or target sights.




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    Quote Originally Posted by JeffWard View Post
    Kimber Gold Match Stainless II (low end?)
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    Kimber Gold Combat II (premium?)

    Same gun, different sights!!!!!

    TRP vs Loaded Springfield??? The TRP is a flat black "Loaded" with tritiums...

    The Trophy Match is the only step above the Loaded, and it's $1500+ if you can get one.

    Now the STI's... they might turn my head... Researching...

    JW
    You are looking at retail prices, not what they sell for. Believe me, I have dozens and dozens of 1911s, from $4500 to $400, and know what I'm talking about. The Trophy Match sell for $1100 in stores, the TRP is a step above the Trophy Match. I have Springers from the $3200 TGO1 to the $500 GI. You're not going to teach me about 1911s.

    You are not correct about Kimber or Springfield. The TRP is in a totally different class than the Loaded. The Loaded is NOWHERE NEAR the TRP. They don't even come close to being the same. Only Loaded owners will tell you that, as they think they got the same gun for half the price, what a joke. For your info, the Loaded is made in Brazil with the other entry level Springfields.

    The Gold Combat and Gold Match are also much different. The Combat is a custom shop Kimber, the Match is not. Prices retail for a $500 difference and they feel totally different in hand.

    I'm trying to help you get a nice 1911. Don't flame me for it. I know my way around a 1911 and I'll help you if you want.

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    MMMMMM.... STI Trojan 6.0... In hard chrome??? Okay, maybe $1600...

    Now THAT'S a gun...

    Email sent...

    JW

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    Quote Originally Posted by JeffWard View Post
    MMMMMM.... STI Trojan 6.0... In hard chrome??? Okay, maybe $1600...

    Now THAT'S a gun...

    Email sent...

    JW
    The Trojan is an awesome gun, as are the others I gave you pics of.

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    Hey Jeff, don't you remember the "modest" collection of 1911's that bac1023 showed us in this thread? Pics of my latest 9mm. Collection finally complete.

    I know I would welcome his advice on 1911's, and that was not even the subject of the thread.

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    You're not going to teach me about 1911s.
    However, a bit of humility goes a long way.

    Not that I am one to talk.
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    I gotta go with the springfield. I'll bet the reliability is still top knotch, and I just always like springfield guns. in fact, the loaded target model is on my list of must haves, but it is the other model, the stainless with black grips that is two tone with black. that gun is everything a modern 1911 should be. It will go good with my mil-spec springfield 1911.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bac1023 View Post
    You are looking at retail prices, not what they sell for. Believe me, I have dozens and dozens of 1911s, from $4500 to $400, and know what I'm talking about. The Trophy Match sell for $1100 in stores, the TRP is a step above the Trophy Match. I have Springers from the $3200 TGO1 to the $500 GI. You're not going to teach me about 1911s.

    You are not correct about Kimber or Springfield. The TRP is in a totally different class than the Loaded. The Loaded is NOWHERE NEAR the TRP. They don't even come close to being the same. Only Loaded owners will tell you that, as they think they got the same gun for half the price, what a joke. For your info, the Loaded is made in Brazil with the other entry level Springfields.

    The Gold Combat and Gold Match are also much different. The Combat is a custom shop Kimber, the Match is not. Prices retail for a $500 difference and they feel totally different in hand.

    I'm trying to help you get a nice 1911. Don't flame me for it. I know my way around a 1911 and I'll help you if you want.
    so, in your opinion, whats the best 1911 you can buy for 1200 dollars?

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    In your price range, I'd suggest an STI Targetmaster. For the money, you can afford a full on competition gun (MSRP 1,440) and one of the best values for a bull barrel 1911. STI has one of the best 1911 actions in the industry and is the go-to supplier for 1911 pattern race guns.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Barham View Post
    However, a bit of humility goes a long way.

    Not that I am one to talk.
    I have plenty of humility, but I also needed to correct the info given about Springfield and Kimber 1911s.

    No big deal.

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    Just givin' you a hard time, bac. I am not the most humble person on the face of the planet, as many here will attest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Barham View Post
    Just givin' you a hard time, bac. I am not the most humble person on the face of the planet, as many here will attest.
    Now here's one of Mike's posts I can agree with completely!

    Can I get a +1 Brothers & Sisters???
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    Hey Bac, what about the Dan Wesson Pointman Seven? Looks like a real steal!

    http://www.danwessonfirearms.com/pro...tail.php?id=65

    The Pointman Seven is a 5” series 70 style 1911 featuring a stainless steel frame and forged stainless steel slide. Like all Dan Wesson 1911s, Pointman models incorporate top quality parts from the best names in the industry

    · Forged, one piece match grade barrel and bushing.
    · Round top slide with Bo-Mar style adjustable target sight
    · Hand polished flat surfaces with contrasting bead blasted rounds
    · Flat, all steel 20-LPI checkered mainspring housing
    · Front and rear cocking serrations
    · Beveled magwell
    · All sharp edges dehorned by hand
    · Lowered and flared ejection port
    · Hand polished feed ramp
    · Ed Brown slide stop
    · Ed Brown memory groove grip safety
    · Tactical extended thumb safety
    · One piece full length stainless guide rod
    · Commander style match hammer
    · Match grade sear
    · Aluminum trigger with stainless bow
    · Extended serrated magazine catch
    · Wolff springs used exclusively
    · Diamond checkered coco-bolo grips
    · Tuned, machined, internal extractor
    · Test fired for reliability
    · 38 ounces unloaded

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fred40 View Post
    Hey Bac, what about the Dan Wesson Pointman Seven? Looks like a real steal!

    http://www.danwessonfirearms.com/pro...tail.php?id=65

    The Pointman Seven is a 5” series 70 style 1911
    Beautiful finish on DWs. Plus I like the lack of a firing pin safety and no MIM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fred40 View Post
    Hey Bac, what about the Dan Wesson Pointman Seven? Looks like a real steal!

    http://www.danwessonfirearms.com/pro...tail.php?id=65

    The Pointman Seven is a 5” series 70 style 1911 featuring a stainless steel frame and forged stainless steel slide. Like all Dan Wesson 1911s, Pointman models incorporate top quality parts from the best names in the industry

    · Forged, one piece match grade barrel and bushing.
    · Round top slide with Bo-Mar style adjustable target sight
    · Hand polished flat surfaces with contrasting bead blasted rounds
    · Flat, all steel 20-LPI checkered mainspring housing
    · Front and rear cocking serrations
    · Beveled magwell
    · All sharp edges dehorned by hand
    · Lowered and flared ejection port
    · Hand polished feed ramp
    · Ed Brown slide stop
    · Ed Brown memory groove grip safety
    · Tactical extended thumb safety
    · One piece full length stainless guide rod
    · Commander style match hammer
    · Match grade sear
    · Aluminum trigger with stainless bow
    · Extended serrated magazine catch
    · Wolff springs used exclusively
    · Diamond checkered coco-bolo grips
    · Tuned, machined, internal extractor
    · Test fired for reliability
    · 38 ounces unloaded

    The Pointman is great, as is the entire Dan Wesson line. I have the CBOB.






    I plan on getting a Valor, which is an upgrade over the PM and CBOB, and in the class of some of the other 1911s I listed as being premium production models.

    I would consider the CBOB and Pointman lower mid range 1911s, albeit very good quality guns.

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