View Poll Results: Which Premium Production 1911 and Why?

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  • Springfield Armory Loaded Target Stainless

    47 42.73%
  • Kimber Gold Match Stainless II

    42 38.18%
  • Smith and Wesson SW1911 DK

    21 19.09%
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    Old topic, but I had to point out something.

    I would consider the CBOB and Pointman lower mid range 1911s, albeit very good quality guns.
    They are not "low end" when you shoot them. They shoot much better than many guns that are hundreds of dollars over their pricepoints. Plus, even the Springfield TRP has an ejector that is glued in and has come loose in the past. Neither of the Dan Wesson guns use MIM and everything is of a higher quality than the TRP or the Kimber IMO.

    Worth a look and you may save some cash anyway.

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    They are low end models when you shoot them as well.

    I didn't say they were bad. I think they are the best $800-$900 1911s you can buy. However, they are what they are and nothing more. Any more than that and you can get an STI Trojan, which to me is a better 1911 than either of those two.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bac1023 View Post
    They are low end models when you shoot them as well.

    I didn't say they were bad. I think they are the best $800-$900 1911s you can buy. However, they are what they are and nothing more. Any more than that and you can get an STI Trojan, which to me is a better 1911 than either of those two.
    Old thread, but


    BS ALERT!

    Dan Wesson does not use MIM. STI does...that alone makes the DW better value regardless of price. Shootability is excellent, holding quarter sized groups easily if you do your part. Your idea of them being low end is ridiculous and very wrong. Don't compare them to an Ed Brown or Wilson Combat, that isn't their target demographic. The DW guns are better than any Kimber I've ever seen and that includes the ones they want $1200 for.

    The price that DWs go for does not reflect the true value of the weapon.

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    Springfields

    I have six springfields with barrels ranging from 4 inches (The Champion) to a six inch longslide. Two of my 5 inch guns have had the Bobtail modiification done to the frames and they are a joy to carry (no sharp corner poking my short ribs). All of them ran out of the box. I changed the ambi safeties on a couple because I prefer the standard extended.

    I have one Kimber. Expect the small molded parts to break. I've have three small parts break on the same 4 inch compact. Finally took it to a smith I trust and changed out the guts to more durable parts.

    Have to admit I have no experience with Smith & Wesson 1911's but its hard to beat their revolvers. I just don't like the blue parts they use on an otherwise stainless gun. The grip safety and other parts would be expensive to change out on their stainless guns.

    I would also take a look at the Dan Wesson line now made by CZ. I have one of their bobtail commander length guns. Other than changing out a blue barrel bushing and blue firing pin stop with stainless parts to match the rest of the gun, I have no complaints. It ran fine out of the box.

    ALSO, make sure you run your gun on good magazines. I've sold every other kind I had and bought Wilson mags with the slim profile metal floor plates. I've never had a problem with them jamming or locking the slides back on the last round. I rotate the mags whenever I go shooting even though I probably don't need to.

    Finally, get good leather. Kramer, Galco, Sparks, Mitch Rosen are all good choices. I like IWB holsters but they're no everyone cup of tea. I've just found they don't stick out from under the short jackets and sweatshirts I wear on the weekends. Rosen has the best mag pouches. I like their combination pouch for my Wilson mag and Surefire flashlight. All the leather I use has 1 1/4 belt loops and I like the heay double thick belts.

    Anyway, hope that helps! Have fun!
    Last edited by mcd1824; 11-28-2008 at 07:15 AM. Reason: type-o

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    One of each!

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    Les Baer's can be had from ProLoad for 1500

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    I have to go with some of the other posts suggesting STI. There are 3 or 4 full size 1911s in the price range. In addition to the Targetmaster mentioned earlier, there is the Rangemaster and both the 5' & 6" Trojans. I have 3 STI pistols with a 4th on order and in my opinion STI is a step up in class. Nothing wrong with DW, SA, or S&W. All are very solid weapons that will perform. However, STI built their reputation on crafting fine competition pistols and that expertise runs through the entire line.

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    Have all of these pics been deleted or something? I find this thread very ineresting but very few of the pics posted are visible. Sounds like a lot af knowledge and great information here about 1911s but please, learn how to post a picture. Even I can do it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gilream View Post
    Have all of these pics been deleted or something? I find this thread very ineresting but very few of the pics posted are visible. Sounds like a lot af knowledge and great information here about 1911s but please, learn how to post a picture. Even I can do it.
    If there's just a place holder then the pics have been moved from the host site or been deleted.

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    I have a springfield operator with the cocobo grips, its beautiful and less expensive than the pistols above, plus since i am a fairly large man i can hide it under a t-shirt quite easily....

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    Quote Originally Posted by bac1023 View Post
    If you can spend up to 1400, go with a Springfield TRP, Kimber Gold Combat II, Colt Special Combat, or STI Trojan. They are premium production 1911s and can be had for $1400 or slightly less.

    I think the best production 1911 is the Kimber Super Match II, but they cost $1700-$1800 in stores.

    I collect 1911s, so I'm giving you feebback based on experience and ownership of many models.
    Any thoughts on the STI Lawman? Considering it, SA TRP and Kimber Raptor or Grand Raptor. Need to look at the Colt Special Combat you listed above.

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    I currently own a Kimber and a Smith & Wesson .45.

    They are both very good guns.

    The Smith is 20 years old (I bought it new) and carried it as my duty gun.

    The Kimber is brand new and a dream to shoot - it comes with a lot of "gunsmith" custom work already done to it.

    Everyone knows how good the Springfield is -

    So I guess I'm saying "get the one you want" - the one that really turns you on, because all three models and brands are outstanding.

    Last edited by dondavis3; 08-16-2009 at 11:33 AM.

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    i voted for springer. mainly because i have one and it is a fantastic 1911. it's a champion operator.

    based on everything i've heard from kimber owners at the range, i would never buy one. just my preference.

    i hear smith has nice nice 1911's though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dances with guns View Post
    i voted for springer. mainly because i have one and it is a fantastic 1911. it's a champion operator.

    based on everything i've heard from kimber owners at the range, i would never buy one. just my preference.

    i hear smith has nice nice 1911's though.
    I've got a chance to see and shoot a few of the Smith 1911's. I was surprised at how well they shot truth be told.

    Can't go wrong wit ha Springer in my opinion either

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