Mike (and others),
Originally Posted by Mike Barham
A little Belgian company called FN makes the Browning Hi Power. Its the handgun John Moses Browning designed after a little number we like to call the 1911. The FN factory in South Carolina, FN Manufacturing LLC, has the US government contract for M16, M249 and M240. So I wouldn't dismiss the Belgians when it comes to guns... or chocolate (their love of mayo on french fries is another matter).
For a number of years, my best buddy, lover, mother and father was the FN L1A1 (FAL) until the politicians tried to get me killed by issuing the motherF'ing piece of sh^t jamo-matic SA80. Yes, a FAL is heavier than an M4, but when you need to, you can buttstroke without damaging the rifle.
I can't say I like the five-seven, but it seems a perfect partner if you already have a P90.
Originally Posted by Liko81
Allow me to introduce you to the FRAG-12 fin-stabilized High Explosive Fragmenting Antipersonnel 12 gauge shotgun round.
I first saw a 5.7 ps90 18 months ago. The local Homeland Security people have them.
i saw a 5.7 pistol today and i came home and read up on a lot of info i could find and then i read all of these threads.
i see no need for a civilian to own the pistol except if they have the carbine.
the round was made for NATO in 2000 for the ps90 carbine.
The cartridges they have are far better than what is allowed for civilians. The mag for the ps90 holds 50 rounds - 50 rounds of bullets that the civilians can not get is why the LE personnel have it - the pistol was an after thought -
i agree with mike - there are better handguns for consideration over the 5.7
But does it have a low bore axis?
Guns are like a fine tool.
I wouldn't use a screw driver as a hammer. And I wouldn't use a five-7 as a defensive gun.
It's too light, it doesn't punch a big enough hole, and if I've got some 300 pound Polynesian eyes and nostrils flaring like a bull ready to charge in a drug fueled rage I'd never use it as such.
It's an offensive cartridge.
It's got incredible accuracy at distance for a sidearm. And it's got amazing penetration at range. Something a rimfire .22 wouldn't have that you'd sling in a holster. And before the round was completely neutered here in the U.S. (Thanks California.) it was an incredibly lethal firearm that would leave no room for argument at it's potential for serious bodily harm.
It's a great tool for what it's intended for, killing at range, with a compact weapon that can be slapped on your hip.
I just don't understand the debate behind this gun, and why it causes so many bitter arguments. Maybe it's a distinctive mindset with some shooters who look at it as a funky bullet that's nothing more then a way to make money off their exclusive built round. Maybe it's the mindset engrained as they became shooters, and gun owners themselves.
This pistol is featured in the Metal Gear Solid game. Its great for CQC you can nail a target with spot on accuracy from quite a distance too. This thing holds some major ammo in a small arm, 20rds per mag.
If FN was really smart they make a smaller carbine, similar to say a TEC-9 with this round in mind.
Originally Posted by khellandros66
Well FN was pretty smart. They make the P90 PDW, and it shoots the 5.7mm round, the same as in the FiveseveN pistol.
Here's a little vid of the P90 for ya. FN P90 VIDEO
Well I have stepped over to the dark side and bought the Five Seven and so far it is serving the purpose quite well and it's not much more expensive the 22 WMR ammo and lot better round.
The 40 gr BT round sure is a stopper of feral dogs at 50 yards or a tad more. And at 25 yards I can put 20 rounds in a 10" pie plate in about the same time I can do 6 from my S&W 610-3 10 mm with 6.5" barrel.
I had to leave the hard slamming slides of my 10 mm automatics behind because of the arthritis in my hands and get something more then a 22 WMR with the ability to be able to stand to practice once a month or so. My 4 10 mm's are gone now, S&W 1006, 1086, G29 and Tanfoglio have all been sold or traded off.
My DW 357 and S&W 610-3 will stay as they do not bother my hand as yet. The DW 357 is like shooting a S&W K22 except lot louder and the 610-3 10 mm is my target gun that I shoot LSWC in and usually have only loaded to about 1000 fps and with that big heavy N frame those are hardly even felt. I sometimes think the slide hammering home is the problem, not recoil as we would normally think.
Same here, sometimes you find the deals out there. This baby comes out at special occasions.
Originally Posted by Benzbuilder
We have a couple of sponsors at the FN Forum who have some sales on the stuff now, if you buy in bulk.
That's exactly why I bought one. Let's face it, many people own a multiple firearms, many they will never, ever use as a carry weapon. I scan the different forums on here and see people spend $4000 for a 1911 for range/tournament use, these guns will never be used for carry. Does this mean they were silly for buying them?
Originally Posted by dallaswood43
I have carry firearms, but that does not mean that I should stop purchasing another gun does it, just because I may not ever carry it?
I picked up a 5.7 about 6 months ago. Ammo price was a little bit of a negative aspect at first, but actually it hasn't gon up nearly as much (percentage) as decent ammo for a 9, 40, or 45 has. Love the way the pistol shoots and the recoil is barely noticable.
I would like to shoot one before laying down the loot. Range does not have one in the rental cabinet and probably wont for a while. Might have to see if I know someone who has one before commenting.
I'm not sure where people here are getting their info but:
5.7 ammo (the blue box) is balistic tip jacketed hollow point. You are complaining about a box of 50 for $22?
5.7 is in no way anything like a 22mag. Tests have shown it to crate a wound cavity much like a 9mm.
5.7 is very accurate and has great range with little drop.
5.7 YEP even the civilian ammo will go through some body armor.
So... you can guy a handgun that is every bit as well made as other poly handguns for around the same price as some (HK, Sig etc) that is made by a company with a great rep that provides most of the small arms for our military. The gun is light, holds 20 rounds (30 with small mag extension) has little recoil, super accurate, long range, defeats body armor, does damage similar to a 9mm and the ammo costs less then most other normal rounds for JHP.
Seems the facts disagree with most of the posts.
It's still legal to buy the AP bullets as a civilian from private sellers right? I've seen a couple auction sites where they were selling preban 5.7 AP bullets.
I have had a 5.7 for about 1 year, and love it. Not my carry gun of choice just because of size and how I have to dress. But.. Still a fine weapon.
Like anyone on here would ever just own 1 gun anyway.
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