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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Barham at Galco View Post

    Spacedoggy, I am sorry if my challenging things offends you. If everyone on the board agreed, I doubt it would be very interesting. There's always the ignore feature, though.
    I could care less what you think and I do ignore you. It's hard sometimes when I get PM's from people I don't know complaining about you or what an ass etc etc and I just say ignore him. There are know it alls on all boards and as my sig notes I never will lower myself to your level because you will beat me with experience.

    Ignore button now on.

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    I need to take a better look at my chronograph.

    "To cut through body armor the .224-inch-diameter SS190 projectile incorporates a cone-shaped steel penetrator sitting atop an aluminum core surrounded by a steel jacket. Velocity of the 5.7x28mm SS190 ball load from a P90 PDW's 10.2-inch barrel is a respectable 2346 fps. Out of a Five-seveN pistol with 4.8-inch barrel it clocks 2133 fps. Despite the high muzzle velocity recoil is approximately 30 percent less than the 9x19mm. This 5.7x28mm load was specifically designed to defeat a NATO CRISAT target (consisting of a 1.6mm titanium plate with 20 Kevlar folds), and it will--even at 200 meters."

    Good review on the firearm found at

    http://www.shootingtimes.com/handgun.../fnusg_021207/

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    Quote Originally Posted by spacedoggy View Post
    ...Good review on the firearm found at

    http://www.shootingtimes.com/handgun.../fnusg_021207/
    That's a good write up. To borrow from Fox News, I think it was "fair and balanced".

    Like I said earlier, I bet it's a fun gun to shoot!

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    Why even bother with the 5.7 when you can have PK2224? Launches a 53gr bullet at 2230 fps out of a converted Beretta 92. I still think that even that round is useless but it outperforms the 5.7 while chambered in a "common" converted pistol. You might find it interesting.

    http://www.gunblast.com/Kightlinger.htm

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    Quote Originally Posted by Revolver View Post
    Why even bother with the 5.7 when you can have PK2224? Launches a 53gr bullet at 2230 fps out of a converted Beretta 92. I still think that even that round is useless but it outperforms the 5.7 while chambered in a "common" converted pistol. You might find it interesting.

    http://www.gunblast.com/Kightlinger.htm
    Wow! The hole the PK2224 left in that 3/8" steel plate was impressive. Especially next to the .45 and 9mm. I think the Five SeveN pistol is pretty neat. I don't own one mainly because of the cost but I might down the road. It would be pretty boring around here if we all like the same guns. I personally enjoy the information folks put out about their new purchases. How 'bout some pictures?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Revolver View Post
    Why even bother with the 5.7 when you can have PK2224? Launches a 53gr bullet at 2230 fps out of a converted Beretta 92. I still think that even that round is useless but it outperforms the 5.7 while chambered in a "common" converted pistol. You might find it interesting.

    http://www.gunblast.com/Kightlinger.htm
    Nice I'll take one of those too

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    The gun is a specialized gun. It was designed as a sidearm to compliment a military carbine. Itís a good gun for penetration. I will keep that in mind when its a primary concern (like defeating body armor).

    I personally like a bullet with weight and proven killing power. .45, .357, .40, 9mm .38. Anticipating your response that the gun has documented kills, so does a Ruger MKII .22lr.

    I think that most of us can agree itís a large pistol. Of course if you are a cop thatís not a big deal as you can strap it onto your WIDE duty belt in a duty holster. This is a big deal for concealed carry.

    Wow. 20 rounds. I guess us old-timers carrying revolvers with 5-7 rounds are behind the curve? Should we worry that we are under armed?

    My point here is as a carry gun, I donít see the plusses outweighing the minuses. It looks like a fun gun, and if itís all you have itís the best carry gun for you. Other than fun, I donít see how you can reasonably debate its value on any plane over a Glock, 1911, SIG, H&K, Smith.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Old Padawan View Post
    Anticipating your response that the gun has documented kills, so does a Ruger MKII .22lr.
    Who's response?? All my guns are fun guns except the ones I carry (P99C 9mm and Kel-Tec 32 in front pocket)and if it wasn't so dam hot in Texas I would be carrying a 45. The FN 5.7 is one of my favorite fun guns to shoot. Can't really tell you why but I enjoy it so much. I guess I'm a old timer (feel like one but don't think like one) because my favorite type of gun is a revolver and I can shoot 22's all day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spacedoggy View Post
    I guess I'm a old timer (feel like one but don't think like one) because my favorite type of gun is a revolver and I can shoot 22's all day.
    Please dont say that. I have been strugling with the knowledge that I am becoming an "old timer". I am 42 years old. I cant be an old timer yet.
    I am toying with the idea of transitionong to a K frame revolver
    I will sit in the shade with and shoot my MKII ALL DAY
    I say what all the time (hearing loss)
    I find it increasingly difficult to get a hard focus on the front sight w/o glasses
    I have WAY TO MANY stories about shooting that start with "remember that time"
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    I carry the FiveseveN concealed every day all day and feel very confident with it. The light weight and recoil provide comfort and follow-up shot accuracy. I don't know what the circomestances may be if I find myself in a "SITUATION" but I like knowing that I have twenty one very quick and very accurate shots available for most any distances. I especially like the fact that the chance for over penetration is lower than with a bigger caliber. I couldn't forgive myself if I were responsible for injuring or killing an innocent bystander because of over penetration or two much recoil.

    I used to carry a Beretta 92 and I like it, but since I got my FiveseveN I feel that for the many different situations that can arise where deadly force is necessary it is the best "All Around Tool" for the urban life.

    I practice all the time and feel more capable and comfortable than when I carried my 92.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wagon Master View Post
    I used to carry a Beretta 92 and I like it, but since I got my FiveseveN I feel that for the many different situations that can arise where deadly force is necessary it is the best "All Around Tool" for the urban life.
    I practice all the time and feel more capable and comfortable than when I carried my 92.
    Every person is different in size and thoughts. The gun that works for you "works". I think the key to your statement is the practice. Continued practice combined with quality instruction is the best thing to do regardless of the gun and bullet.
    I still dont think I am sold on the 57 being the best "all around tool for urban life". I dont think such a thing exists. At best it would "one of the best" and I would still not see it in that department.
    I note your previous gun was a large duty style pistol as well. If you were allready using a dress around gun for concealed carry, the transition would have been easy. Have you tried a compact pistol such as an HK P2000SK, Glock 26,27,33,30,36,29, Walther PPK, 3"1911, J frame revolver for concealed carry?
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    [QUOTE=Old Padawan;73112]Every person is different in size and thoughts.



    I like the weight combined with the round capacity and very low recoil of the FiveseveN. I have shot other more compact weapons and enjoy them also but not the recoil. I am an old and I would rather not have to fight the recoil in the chaos of armed conflict. I do practice all the time and shot placement at night while shooting off hand and shooting multiple rounds very fast while going to cover when there are bystanders etc, etc, etc, is a potential disaster. For me and my urban life, this is the best all around tool. But as you say, everyone is different, and I respect that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Charlie View Post
    Wow! The hole the PK2224 left in that 3/8" steel plate was impressive. Especially next to the .45 and 9mm. I think the Five SeveN pistol is pretty neat. I don't own one mainly because of the cost but I might down the road. It would be pretty boring around here if we all like the same guns. I personally enjoy the information folks put out about their new purchases. How 'bout some pictures?
    It was a 3/16" plate not 3/8". But either way I think its very impressive. I'd buy the Five-seveN. But like others say its a little pricey. At least for me.

    Nate

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    I'm kinda itchin for one myself

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    I started wearing it as a range gun because it is so light even with three magazines and that's a real plus. The other reason is rust. I can't find a spot on it that can rust on the outside of the gun. Love to see you get one shipwreck to compliment your other FN. I'm planning on getting the Beretta PX storm to compliment my CX4.

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    Well, Bud's is selling them at a good price right now, but I don't know...

    The next gun I wanna get is a Beretta 84/85 Cheetah - Just always wanted one. Not sure if I will get a Five Seven or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shipwreck View Post
    Well, Bud's is selling them at a good price right now, but I don't know...

    The next gun I wanna get is a Beretta 84/85 Cheetah - Just always wanted one. Not sure if I will get a Five Seven or not.
    You might be better off with the Beretta due to the availability and cost of the 5.7x28 ammunition.

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    I believe Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell has one as his standard issue. 20 round mag's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spacedoggy View Post
    You might be better off with the Beretta due to the availability and cost of the 5.7x28 ammunition.

    Cost, yea. EVen at a good price, it's more (although, not much more than 380 ammo) - but availability - heck, I have 2100 rounds of the stuff for my PS90. So, I'm good there

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Barham View Post
    International popularity? Because the French and Belgians are such authorities on gunfighting?
    I think the French are really good with the potato gun, Belgians I'm not so sure.

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