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    Quote Originally Posted by berettabone View Post
    As most of you know, we have an election coming up real soon...no matter what your political affiliation is, or who your voting for, I would ask that you take some time to consider the possible ramifications, that could occur, with firearms, firearm owners, and manufacturers, in the future... It could be one of the most important Presidential elections in history, not only with firearms, but our future as a whole.
    I knew four years ago, no matter who the hell was running against Obama, they would get my vote. The gun issue is just one of many reasons why this administration needs to get sent their "walking papers". This is some real "One World Order" crap coming our way if they keep the White House.

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    Quote Originally Posted by redtail View Post
    Ok, first of all, please don't take this wrong, don't attack me. I am the messenger.

    Obama has suggested that there ought to be more gun laws, in so many words, on many occasions. But as our President, he has signed 2 gun laws: 1 allowing guns in our national parks, and another allowing guns on trains.
    Romney, as the Governor of Massachusetts, signed the State assault weapons ban in to permanent law.

    So, if you're voting for Romney because you have some sort of idea that he is more likely to support our 2A rights, you need to rethink that stance. I don't care what Romney says, he says a lot of things that aren't true. The fact is, relative of to 2A rights, we don't have a good choice in this election. The Republican party used to be our friend, but not any longer. Bush2 publicly stated he would sign a renewal on the assault weapons ban if it reached his desk. It never happened, so we don't know if he was bluffing or not, but I don't think he was.
    I am a life NRA member, their endorsement of Romney is more than a little pathetic. Sometimes I wonder what would happen if all these PACs started endorsing "none of the above".

    A little fodder:

    Mitt Romney's Flip-Flop On Gun Control, Assault Weapons And The NRA - Business Insider
    Are you actually telling us that you think Obama will not go, with a vengeance mind you, the other way with gun ownership?

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    Quote Originally Posted by berettatoter View Post
    Are you actually telling us that you think Obama will not go, with a vengeance mind you, the other way with gun ownership?

    Nope. Thats not what I am saying. I am saying don't trust Mitt Romney with your gun rights. I am saying the republican party is not the all gun-friendly party they used to be. Be careful who you trust.

    The Dem's don't have a majority within their own party to force through lots of gun control. They learned the hard way not too many elections back not to mess with the 2A, today there are some still calling for strict GC and bans, but they don't have a consensus within their own party. There are more pro gun Democrats in office today than we've seen in a generation. Things are not like they were 20 years ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by berettabone View Post
    As most of you know, we have an election coming up real soon...no matter what your political affiliation is, or who your voting for, I would ask that you take some time to consider the possible ramifications, that could occur, with firearms, firearm owners, and manufacturers, in the future... It could be one of the most important Presidential elections in history, not only with firearms, but our future as a whole.
    I totally agree and have already voted -

    I just wish I could vote multiple times like the dead people do in Chicago .


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    Quote Originally Posted by redtail View Post
    Nope. Thats not what I am saying. I am saying don't trust Mitt Romney with your gun rights. I am saying the republican party is not the all gun-friendly party they used to be. Be careful who you trust.

    The Dem's don't have a majority within their own party to force through lots of gun control. They learned the hard way not too many elections back not to mess with the 2A, today there are some still calling for strict GC and bans, but they don't have a consensus within their own party. There are more pro gun Democrats in office today than we've seen in a generation. Things are not like they were 20 years ago.
    Republican Platform Statement:
    "We uphold the right of individuals to keep and bear arms, a right which antedated the Constitution and was solemnly confirmed by the Second Amendment. We acknowledge, support, and defend the law-abiding citizen’s God-given right of self-defense. We call for the protection of such fundamental individual rights recognized in the Supreme Court’s decisions in District of Columbia v. Heller and McDonald v. Chicago affirming that right, and we recognize the individual responsibility to safely use and store firearms. This also includes the right to obtain and store ammunition without registration. We support the fundamental right to self-defense wherever a law-abiding citizen has a legal right to be, and we support federal legislation that would expand the exercise of that right by allowing those with state-issued carry permits to carry firearms in any state that issues such permits to its own residents. Gun ownership is responsible citizenship, enabling Americans to defend their homes and communities. We condemn frivolous lawsuits against gun manufacturers and oppose federal licensing or registration of law-abiding gun owners. We oppose legislation that is intended to restrict our Second Amendment rights by limiting the capacity of clips or magazines or otherwise restoring the ill-considered Clinton gun ban. We condemn the reckless actions associated with the operation known as “Fast and Furious,” conducted by the Department of Justice, which resulted in the murder of a U.S. Border Patrol Agent and others on both sides of the border. We applaud the Members of the U.S. House of Representatives in holding the current Administration’s Attorney General in contempt of Congress for his refusal to cooperate with their investigation into that debacle. We oppose the improper collection of firearms sales information in the four southern border states, which was imposed without congressional authority."

    Democratic Platform Statement:
    “We recognize that the individual right to bear arms is an important part of the American tradition, and we will preserve Americans’ Second Amendment right to own and use firearms. We believe that the right to own firearms is subject to reasonable regulation. We understand the terrible consequences of gun violence; it serves as a reminder that life is fragile, and our time here is limited and precious. We believe in an honest, open national conversation about firearms. We can focus on effective enforcement of existing laws, especially strengthening our background check system, and we can work together to enact commonsense improvements – like reinstating the assault weapons ban and closing the gun show loophole – so that guns do not fall into the hands of those irresponsible, law-breaking few.”

    Obama: "And so what I’m trying to do is to get a broader conversation about how do we reduce the violence generally. Part of it is seeing if we can get an assault weapons ban reintroduced, but part of it is also looking at other sources of the violence, because frankly, in my hometown of Chicago, there’s an awful lot of violence, and they’re not using AK-47s, they’re using cheap handguns."

    Its your decision --make it carefully!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tip View Post
    Republican Platform Statement:
    "We uphold the right of individuals to keep and bear arms, a right which antedated the Constitution and was solemnly confirmed by the Second Amendment. We acknowledge, support, and defend the law-abiding citizen’s God-given right of self-defense. We call for the protection of such fundamental individual rights recognized in the Supreme Court’s decisions in District of Columbia v. Heller and McDonald v. Chicago affirming that right, and we recognize the individual responsibility to safely use and store firearms. This also includes the right to obtain and store ammunition without registration. We support the fundamental right to self-defense wherever a law-abiding citizen has a legal right to be, and we support federal legislation that would expand the exercise of that right by allowing those with state-issued carry permits to carry firearms in any state that issues such permits to its own residents. Gun ownership is responsible citizenship, enabling Americans to defend their homes and communities. We condemn frivolous lawsuits against gun manufacturers and oppose federal licensing or registration of law-abiding gun owners. We oppose legislation that is intended to restrict our Second Amendment rights by limiting the capacity of clips or magazines or otherwise restoring the ill-considered Clinton gun ban. We condemn the reckless actions associated with the operation known as “Fast and Furious,” conducted by the Department of Justice, which resulted in the murder of a U.S. Border Patrol Agent and others on both sides of the border. We applaud the Members of the U.S. House of Representatives in holding the current Administration’s Attorney General in contempt of Congress for his refusal to cooperate with their investigation into that debacle. We oppose the improper collection of firearms sales information in the four southern border states, which was imposed without congressional authority."

    Democratic Platform Statement:
    “We recognize that the individual right to bear arms is an important part of the American tradition, and we will preserve Americans’ Second Amendment right to own and use firearms. We believe that the right to own firearms is subject to reasonable regulation. We understand the terrible consequences of gun violence; it serves as a reminder that life is fragile, and our time here is limited and precious. We believe in an honest, open national conversation about firearms. We can focus on effective enforcement of existing laws, especially strengthening our background check system, and we can work together to enact commonsense improvements – like reinstating the assault weapons ban and closing the gun show loophole – so that guns do not fall into the hands of those irresponsible, law-breaking few.”

    Obama: "And so what I’m trying to do is to get a broader conversation about how do we reduce the violence generally. Part of it is seeing if we can get an assault weapons ban reintroduced, but part of it is also looking at other sources of the violence, because frankly, in my hometown of Chicago, there’s an awful lot of violence, and they’re not using AK-47s, they’re using cheap handguns."

    Its your decision --make it carefully!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by redtail View Post
    Nope. Thats not what I am saying. I am saying don't trust Mitt Romney with your gun rights. I am saying the republican party is not the all gun-friendly party they used to be. Be careful who you trust.

    The Dem's don't have a majority within their own party to force through lots of gun control. They learned the hard way not too many elections back not to mess with the 2A, today there are some still calling for strict GC and bans, but they don't have a consensus within their own party. There are more pro gun Democrats in office today than we've seen in a generation. Things are not like they were 20 years ago.
    Democratic senators offer gun control amendment for cybersecurity bill - The Hill's Video

    Red, your party evidently doesn't need a majority within their own party. Which party just recently attempted to pass this sneaky logroll amendment? Furthermore, Republican senators were soley responsible for blocking the bill, no so-called pro-gun democrats there? With all due respect, I believe you are full of it. You say you would trust your party over republicans concerning gun rights and the party is not like it was 20 years ago? What does a big socialist government mean to you and your individual rights? Please name one republican on the national level that has attempted such devious anti-gun tactics.? I wrote my senator over this, one of the senators responsible for blocking the bill and he wrote back stating he will fight to preserve our second amendment rights. And you know what, action speaks much louder than words, or talk is cheap, in which your president has in spades.
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    @ Capt Rick Hiott

    Yep - we just passed the "tipping Point"

    Our poor kids & grandkids are on the downhill road.

    They will never see the old America that I was lucky enough to grow up in.

    We have "politically sensitivities" ourselves to death.


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    Four more years of shit.........

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    No bitching. You get the government you vote for. We deserve everything we have coming...and I'm afraid we have it coming good and hard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by goNYG View Post
    No bitching. You get the government you vote for. We deserve everything we have coming...and I'm afraid we have it coming good and hard.
    Speak for yourself. I didn't vote for that guy.

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    Neither did I.

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    ,,,,,,,I dam sure didnt vote for this CRAP!!!!!!!!!

    "Normal" people dont vote for this kind of government,,,,just people that dont know what the hell is going on.............

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    Ignorance is bliss...the liberal mantra.............

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    Quote Originally Posted by denner View Post
    Democratic senators offer gun control amendment for cybersecurity bill - The Hill's Video

    Red, your party evidently doesn't need a majority within their own party. Which party just recently attempted to pass this sneaky logroll amendment? Furthermore, Republican senators were soley responsible for blocking the bill, no so-called pro-gun democrats there? With all due respect, I believe you are full of it. You say you would trust your party over republicans concerning gun rights and the party is not like it was 20 years ago? What does a big socialist government mean to you and your individual rights? Please name one republican on the national level that has attempted such devious anti-gun tactics.? I wrote my senator over this, one of the senators responsible for blocking the bill and he wrote back stating he will fight to preserve our second amendment rights. And you know what, action speaks much louder than words, or talk is cheap, in which your president has in spades.
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    I said no such thing Denner. Are you illiterate? Like a lot of people, I think you are. Read what I posted again. Slowly.
    Where did I say I was a Democrat? Where did I say Democrats are the ones to be trusted with 2a rights over the GOP? If someone posts a few facts that are contrary to your ideas of a candidates character, does this make that person a Democrat? An enemy? Can you not handle the truth about mitt Romney?

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    Re: Election

    It's a sad sad day for America. Better start saving money. We got more change coming. That's for sure.

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    start saving money for sure!!!!!!!!
    and/or pay off any debts you have asap - inflation will be coming and those interest rates will be rising
    one exception and that is if you are not happy with the gun you have get one you like ASAP and get lots of ammo!!!!!!
    lots of ammo..........

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    Quote Originally Posted by Capt Rick Hiott View Post
    "The number of parasites has now eclipsed the number of productive members of society"
    +1 Guess I deluded myself into thinking that the American dream remained alive and well and that the vast majority of Americans remained a thinking and rational people. Sad day in history.

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    I'm a resident of NH. In 3 consecutive elections we've gone blue red back to blue again. My head is spinning, and I am disgusted with a lot of stuff happening. Romney losing doesn't surprise me one bit, I expected him to.
    Here in NH we have just 1 network affiliate TV station, and watching their news is like watching a cartoon. I mean, seriously deficient on news. Lots of sensationalism. If you want to be informed you have to watch one of several Boston network affiliates, and so you can't help but to know a lot about Massachusetts politics, be just as informed about what's going on there as here.
    Romney was elected and the day he was he had about a 64 percent approval rating. In just 3 years time, his voter approval rating was down to 34 percent. 75% of the way through his 1st term. It was said (a lot) during this past election he decided not to run again because he wanted to explore new interests, but anyone living up here knew that the truth was, he had no chance of being re-elected and left to avoid the public spanking he was going to get in the voting booth. Then, in this Presidential election, he flip flopped and lied about his record so often, it was nauseating...and people knew it.
    The point being, if this is the best candidate the RNC can field, then frankly we deserve to lose this election. The sad thing is, Obama wasn't exactly a strong candidate, not like 4 years ago, and it wouldn't have taken much to defeat him. But a guy like Romney was about the worst thing they could have put forth. I hope the RNC smartens up for 2016. If they don't learn their lessons from this, then in 4 years we will be once again be our own worst enemies.

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