I will withhold judgement till all the facts are out.

Originally Posted by NMpops

I will withhold judgement till all the facts are out.

i will step up and take the position that i am against the NYPD shooting innocent bystanders and crime victims. i know i might be facing ridicule here but its just how i feel. the cops need to be shooting bad guys. shooting good guys SHOULD be a sign of BAD procedure!

What happened to the video? I tried to watch it but it was gone.

It's no secret the NYPD are dangerous to anyone when you put a gun in their hand.Considering the political environment there this doesn't surprise me at all.Obama must be pissed,now he has competition on suppression and socialist takeover.

Seems that lately, more people are being shot by the police, than by the bad guys..................how are those gun laws workin for you Yorkers?

Robber : "Gimme all your money #$% %^&* or i will call the police!!!"

Victim : " Please dont do that! I will cooperate ! No one has to die here today!"

Robber : Hurry the %$^& up! Dont make me dial 911!!!!"

Originally Posted by AntzMa

What happened to the video? I tried to watch it but it was gone.

it was up and running when i posted this.... short clips from 4 different security cams that ended way too soon.... released by the police of course

Originally Posted by TedDeBearFrmHell

"There was no sign that the shooter and other officers at the scene mishandled the situation," police Commissioner Raymond Kelly said.
"The tragedy here of course was that Mr. Cuevas was shot, but I see nothing wrong with the procedure," he said.

This guy still has a job? Only allowing cops and criminals to have guns is working out real well huh?

Until all the facts are known, the point is moot.

Originally Posted by Easy_CZ

Until all the facts are known, the point is moot.

what other facts do you need?

the guy who was shot was the VICTIM. (said the commissioner)
the cop shot him accidently.(said the commissioner)
he died. (said the commissioner)
the police commissioner doesnt think there was anything wrong with procedure. (said the commissioner)

using the police commissioner own statement as a collection of facts presented to the public, i contend that the facts are known and i still stand by my opinion that the police should not shoot innocent bystanders or crime victims. its bad procedure anywhere but in NYC

how do you accidentally shoot someone while following procedure?

Originally Posted by TedDeBearFrmHell

Robber : "Gimme all your money #$% %^&* or i will call the police!!!"

Victim : " Please dont do that! I will cooperate ! No one has to die here today!"

Robber : Hurry the %$^& up! Dont make me dial 911!!!!"

That's just funny ri there.

Originally Posted by Easy_CZ

Until all the facts are known, the point is moot.

Are you a NYC cop or something? Ted's reply to your post was spot on.

Damn shame...

Some of the facts might make the situation a bit clearer ie: was the victim running toward the cop with a handgun ?(highly doubtful) since he was the victim. Details on what went wrong might make this happening again in the future less likely if information was used in training and retraining........JJ

Video is still working

I just watched it.

Hhmm... I must be lookin at the wrong one. Eh well..

Originally Posted by TedDeBearFrmHell

what other facts do you need?

the guy who was shot was the VICTIM. (said the commissioner)
the cop shot him accidently.(said the commissioner)
he died. (said the commissioner)
the police commissioner doesnt think there was anything wrong with procedure. (said the commissioner)

using the police commissioner own statement as a collection of facts presented to the public, i contend that the facts are known and i still stand by my opinion that the police should not shoot innocent bystanders or crime victims. its bad procedure anywhere but in NYC

how do you accidentally shoot someone while following procedure?

Right?!? Seems as though the police are covering for each other.

No cover up really. It's more like, "Dude, $*it happens. Our Bad."
I've always assumed that NYPD had those ridiculous triggers on their Glocks to prevent just such incidents/accidents. Maybe they need to go heavier?

Originally Posted by Overkill0084

No cover up really. It's more like, "Dude, $*it happens. Our Bad."
I've always assumed that NYPD had those ridiculous triggers on their Glocks to prevent just such incidents/accidents. Maybe they need to go heavier?

the origins of the NY trigger for the glocks was to prevent the NYPD from CONTINUING to shoot themselves while drawing their weapons..... for gods sake do not train the police to keep the finger off the trigger, just make the trigger harder to pull! ..... this is and always has been horrible procedure

I don't think making the triggers harder to pull will help them to be safer, rather it will make it harder for them to hit their target. They already have enough trouble with that as it is.

IMHO, this is an incident of piss-poor trigger discipline gone bad. The cop is looking around, not knowing what the hell is going on; the last place he should have his finger is on the trigger.

I have a NY#1 trigger on my Glock G23. I can keep a whole magazine in a 5" circle, firing "Mad Dog Crazy" fast at 15 yards. Do you want to walk out into the street with me at high noon? The fact that the NYPD carry Glocks had nothing to do with this. Somebody fired at the wrong person and hit him, for whatever reason. However, keep in mind that this was a real incident, not IPSC, and there was probably a whole lot of confusion. There is nowhere in NYC that you don't have a lot of people on the scene and they usually go totally insane when the SHTF. I too think we neeed to know the whole situation before being so quick to judge. Keep the politics out of this one and judge the facts , when available.

I agree with wjh2657 .

How some can post the comments that have been posted w/o knowing the complete story I don't agree with.

But it happens all the time.

the complete story is here, see post #11..... the video is here also..... like it or not, this happened just the way it shows on the video, just the way the police said and the commissioner STILL says the procedure was good

this IS a political story because of the mayors stance on gun control and his history of blaming outside forces on the crime problems in the city.